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25 Apr 2015, 7:17 pm

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I don't get why people have sex "for sex", it should be done in a romantic way...

*sigh*

I have work to do and I have to get out of WP before it ruins my day.

Look…people, and I don't care if you're a man or a woman or anything in between, are only out for two things: Sex and money.

Sexual gratification is tied to what makes people feel valuable. It's not necessary to have sex with someone to make them feel important, but to a large extent this is what sex is and how it functions in our lives. People "have sex for sex" because the charge they get out of it, whether their own satisfaction or their ability to satisfy someone else, makes them feel important to such an extent unmatched by any other human experience. It's entirely selfish--and don't lie to yourself and pretend that it's not.

Sex is the ultimate manifestation and expression of this. It is by far not the ONLY expression, but all expressions are tied to it. Your attractiveness to others directly depends on your ability to make others feel special--and this applies to platonic same-sex friendships just as much as it does to romantic hetero relationships. Appeal to one's desire for sexual gratification (feelings of self-importance) and popularity isn't far off.

Money is the same way. It's not so much money people love. Remember, money is the root of all kinds of evil. Most people are intrinsically aware of this and hold deep suspicion and fear of those who horde obnoxious amounts of it. It's really what money buys that people are most interested in. So if you want to attract friends and mates, appeal to their desire for nice things (ask about hobbies, give people gifts of things you know they like). Be generous with your money, and if you're fortunate enough to have a lot of it, spread it around (pro tip: It will eventually come back to you).

So…the answer to your question--Because people are selfish. You're selfish. I'm selfish. My wife and kids are all selfish. There's nothing we can do about it, except understand that we each have needs that take importance above all other people and things in life. If you really love and value people, you put THOSE needs and desires ahead of your own. You think that sex should be this bigromantic thing, that people shouldn't just have sex for the sake of having sex, but that it should be meaningful. You recognize that you are an important part of it to someone else, but that you are not the MOST important part. Keep that attitude in the long-term and you'll succeed where many fail.

That does it for me, folks…lesson time is over. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.



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26 Apr 2015, 1:08 pm

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I'll give you another anecdote to prove you are wrong. I've always used a different tactic with my wife: I always let her take initiative to sex, which means I'm pretty sure how her interest has changed. In the beginning, as we wanted children, we had sex fairly frequently. After we decided we didn't want any more, the frequency has gotten longer and longer. This is more or less what people told you before in the thread. Women have most interest in sex when they want to become mothers.


Dude, seriously, give it up. He WANTS to believe women like sex as much as he does, that's the only reason he's still going. He knows deep inside he's wrong, but nothing we say will make him admit it. Just point out the inconsistencies in his claims and watch him crumble. :roll:


Your probably right.

@Lazar: The next time you claim to know that a woman you have a relationship with wants as much sex as you do, just test your assertion by letting her take all the initiatives to sex (don't tell her it's a test, just stop taking the initiative). If she insists on a higher frequency than you want, then you have proved your point with that particular woman. OTOH, if you feel sexually starved if you don't pester her all the time for sex, then you know you failed to prove the point.



I actually did test this assertion last year and guess what? She DID initiate it quite a bit! I don't dispute the fact that autistic women really do seem to have low sex drives as do many autistic men. But libido has a biochemical basis in the brain and is responsive to hormone levels and fluctuations. This is why for the majority of women, their sex drive tends to increase during ovulation.



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Human sexual behavior is MUTABLE. Even among human females. It very much is a function of the environment and the nature+rules of the society in which they live.


You have no evidence that it is. You fail to understand how NT females will only have sex if they can benefit from it in some way.

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The assumption of evo-psych is that human psychology is fundamentally unchanged since prehistoric times which I don't believe for a moment. The environment that contemporary humans live in is so vastly different from the humans evolved in. The evolutionary pressures nowadays are extremely different and this affects what people do and what they're attracted to.


Evolutionary pressures cannot work on such a short time span as 50 years. Thus, if you see some change in sexual behavior you can be sure it is not evolution that is doing it.

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Certain things are left over, but other things aren't. Women no longer *need* the men they have sex with to provide for them and now that we have contraceptives there is far less risk for women to be sexually licentious. Which explains why more women are sleeping around as much as guys are.


Only NT women, and they only do it to gain advantages. You fail to explain why neurodiverse / Aspie women don't.



And what actual evidence do you have that they ONLY do it gain advantages? You make a lot of assumptions about women's motives when not only are you not a woman, but like me you are an Aspie so your intuition is somewhat limited. My father has only had 1 partner in his entire life: my mother. She was his first gf and the met in college back in 1969, married 5 years later and have been together ever since. He'd often tell me all kinds of idealistic stuff about women(that women don't really want sex, the just want "TWUE WUV") based on the only woman he's ever been with(and ever will be for that matter!). Women really aren't any less carnal than men.

I don't bother to explain why neurodiverse women don't because I really haven't known very many IRL nor have I ever shagged a woman who was diagnostically so! My first gf probably was and at first she really wanted to have sex with me. But what made her reluctant was the fact that her first boyfriend raped her and she avoided sex for 7 years before meeting me. Also, I was young and too focused on sex and didn't take the relationship srsly but iDigress.



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26 Apr 2015, 1:11 pm

AngelRho wrote:
DailyPoutine1 wrote:
I don't get why people have sex "for sex", it should be done in a romantic way...

*sigh*

I have work to do and I have to get out of WP before it ruins my day.

Look…people, and I don't care if you're a man or a woman or anything in between, are only out for two things: Sex and money.

Sexual gratification is tied to what makes people feel valuable. It's not necessary to have sex with someone to make them feel important, but to a large extent this is what sex is and how it functions in our lives. People "have sex for sex" because the charge they get out of it, whether their own satisfaction or their ability to satisfy someone else, makes them feel important to such an extent unmatched by any other human experience. It's entirely selfish--and don't lie to yourself and pretend that it's not.

Sex is the ultimate manifestation and expression of this. It is by far not the ONLY expression, but all expressions are tied to it. Your attractiveness to others directly depends on your ability to make others feel special--and this applies to platonic same-sex friendships just as much as it does to romantic hetero relationships. Appeal to one's desire for sexual gratification (feelings of self-importance) and popularity isn't far off.

Money is the same way. It's not so much money people love. Remember, money is the root of all kinds of evil. Most people are intrinsically aware of this and hold deep suspicion and fear of those who horde obnoxious amounts of it. It's really what money buys that people are most interested in. So if you want to attract friends and mates, appeal to their desire for nice things (ask about hobbies, give people gifts of things you know they like). Be generous with your money, and if you're fortunate enough to have a lot of it, spread it around (pro tip: It will eventually come back to you).

So…the answer to your question--Because people are selfish. You're selfish. I'm selfish. My wife and kids are all selfish. There's nothing we can do about it, except understand that we each have needs that take importance above all other people and things in life. If you really love and value people, you put THOSE needs and desires ahead of your own. You think that sex should be this bigromantic thing, that people shouldn't just have sex for the sake of having sex, but that it should be meaningful. You recognize that you are an important part of it to someone else, but that you are not the MOST important part. Keep that attitude in the long-term and you'll succeed where many fail.

That does it for me, folks…lesson time is over. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.



Sexual gratification is done primarily for physical and psychological stimulation. This is primary purpose of sexual gratification and why people masturbate when they don't have a sexual partner readily available and willing to do them at the moment.But as you explained in your post I quoted, having someone voluntarily provide this for you gives a person a big ego boost.


But if sex were primarily about the need to feel validated there'd be no point in masturbating when you're single and have no one to get laid with! And contrary to popular belief, women do masturbate and even as much as men do.



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26 Apr 2015, 1:22 pm

Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
rdos wrote:
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rdos wrote:
I'll give you another anecdote to prove you are wrong. I've always used a different tactic with my wife: I always let her take initiative to sex, which means I'm pretty sure how her interest has changed. In the beginning, as we wanted children, we had sex fairly frequently. After we decided we didn't want any more, the frequency has gotten longer and longer. This is more or less what people told you before in the thread. Women have most interest in sex when they want to become mothers.


Dude, seriously, give it up. He WANTS to believe women like sex as much as he does, that's the only reason he's still going. He knows deep inside he's wrong, but nothing we say will make him admit it. Just point out the inconsistencies in his claims and watch him crumble. :roll:


Your probably right.

@Lazar: The next time you claim to know that a woman you have a relationship with wants as much sex as you do, just test your assertion by letting her take all the initiatives to sex (don't tell her it's a test, just stop taking the initiative). If she insists on a higher frequency than you want, then you have proved your point with that particular woman. OTOH, if you feel sexually starved if you don't pester her all the time for sex, then you know you failed to prove the point.



I actually did test this assertion last year and guess what? She DID initiate it quite a bit! I don't dispute the fact that autistic women really do seem to have low sex drives as do many autistic men. But libido has a biochemical basis in the brain and is responsive to hormone levels and fluctuations. This is why for the majority of women, their sex drive tends to increase during ovulation.


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Needs more dragons and s**t though... :lol:



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26 Apr 2015, 1:24 pm

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Thanks, dawg! And the coolest part about my story is that it's actually TRUE. 8)



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26 Apr 2015, 1:26 pm

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But if sex were primarily about the need to feel validated there'd be no point in masturbating when you're single and have no one to get laid with! And contrary to popular belief, women do masturbate and even as much as men do.


http://io9.com/how-often-men-and-women- ... 1583854130

You were saying, chief? :roll:



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26 Apr 2015, 1:49 pm

Gauldoth wrote:
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But if sex were primarily about the need to feel validated there'd be no point in masturbating when you're single and have no one to get laid with! And contrary to popular belief, women do masturbate and even as much as men do.


http://io9.com/how-often-men-and-women- ... 1583854130

You were saying, chief? :roll:


Yeah, nice rebuttal. :mrgreen:



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26 Apr 2015, 2:16 pm

rdos wrote:
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But if sex were primarily about the need to feel validated there'd be no point in masturbating when you're single and have no one to get laid with! And contrary to popular belief, women do masturbate and even as much as men do.


http://io9.com/how-often-men-and-women- ... 1583854130

You were saying, chief? :roll:


Yeah, nice rebuttal. :mrgreen:


I just typed "how often do men and women masturbate" on Google, and that was literally the first result that came up. :lol:



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26 Apr 2015, 2:26 pm

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Human sexual behavior is MUTABLE. Even among human females. It very much is a function of the environment and the nature+rules of the society in which they live.


You have no evidence that it is. You fail to understand how NT females will only have sex if they can benefit from it in some way.




And you fail to make the case that NT females will only make the case have sex if they can benefit from it OTHER than physical pleasure.

You say I have no evidence of this, eh?
How about the explosive growth in hook-up culture here in the USofA(and Canaday :P ) as well as the increasing prevalence of single motherhood in the US among women who are actually *not* poor and desperate but voluntarily become so as a lifestyle choice. Professional women who have already put in their time at the place they work for can get paid maternity leave(12 weeks as required by federal law but many companies are more generous and give up to 6 months to even a year)as well as WIC(specialized food stamps) to assist them in getting enough food if they don't have sufficient funds. So it's clear that in circumstances where women do not depend economically on men, or on their families, for support in raising children AND when/where contraceptives + abortion on demand are readily available to reduce the risks of unwanted pregnancy then women feel emboldened to be as sexually licentious as men.
You can blame feminism all you want, but feminists cannot coerce women in participating or choosing these lifestyles against their will.



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26 Apr 2015, 3:01 pm

Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
rdos wrote:
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Human sexual behavior is MUTABLE. Even among human females. It very much is a function of the environment and the nature+rules of the society in which they live.


You have no evidence that it is. You fail to understand how NT females will only have sex if they can benefit from it in some way.




And you fail to make the case that NT females will only make the case have sex if they can benefit from it OTHER than physical pleasure.

You say I have no evidence of this, eh?
How about the explosive growth in hook-up culture here in the USofA(and Canaday :P ) as well as the increasing prevalence of single motherhood in the US among women who are actually *not* poor and desperate but voluntarily become so as a lifestyle choice. Professional women who have already put in their time at the place they work for can get paid maternity leave(12 weeks as required by federal law but many companies are more generous and give up to 6 months to even a year)as well as WIC(specialized food stamps) to assist them in getting enough food if they don't have sufficient funds. So it's clear that in circumstances where women do not depend economically on men, or on their families, for support in raising children AND when/where contraceptives + abortion on demand are readily available to reduce the risks of unwanted pregnancy then women feel emboldened to be as sexually licentious as men.
You can blame feminism all you want, but feminists cannot coerce women in participating or choosing these lifestyles against their will.


Again, all I see there is women TALKING about how much they love sex. And yeah, women TALK a lot about how much they love sex when the matter crops up in conversation (the seldom bring it up themselves). But talking is one thing, doing is another... and when it comes time to doing it, women's resolve invariably falters.

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as well as the increasing prevalence of single motherhood in the US among women who are actually *not* poor and desperate but voluntarily become so as a lifestyle choice.


Doesn't that prove the opposite though? Instead of pairing up with a man who would, among other things, continuously pester them for sex, these women just get artificially inseminated with Chad McAlphamale's baby and raise him/her alone. :roll:



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26 Apr 2015, 3:47 pm

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as well as the increasing prevalence of single motherhood in the US among women who are actually *not* poor and desperate but voluntarily become so as a lifestyle choice.


Doesn't that prove the opposite though? Instead of pairing up with a man who would, among other things, continuously pester them for sex, these women just get artificially inseminated with Chad McAlphamale's baby and raise him/her alone. :roll:


I think it does. In addition to that, they probably do one-nights with Alpha males only, which I think excludes @Lazar. :mrgreen:



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26 Apr 2015, 3:54 pm

rdos wrote:
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as well as the increasing prevalence of single motherhood in the US among women who are actually *not* poor and desperate but voluntarily become so as a lifestyle choice.


Doesn't that prove the opposite though? Instead of pairing up with a man who would, among other things, continuously pester them for sex, these women just get artificially inseminated with Chad McAlphamale's baby and raise him/her alone. :roll:


I think it does. In addition to that, they probably do one-nights with Alpha males only, which I think excludes @Lazar. :mrgreen:

Alpha males should all be killed.



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Again, all I see there is women TALKING about how much they love sex. And yeah, women TALK a lot about how much they love sex when the matter crops up in conversation (the seldom bring it up themselves). But talking is one thing, doing is another... and when it comes time to doing it, women's resolve invariably falters.



Invariably? :roll: Let's see some evidence that all this is talk and there's no action.

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Doesn't that prove the opposite though? Instead of pairing up with a man who would, among other things, continuously pester them for sex, these women just get artificially inseminated with Chad McAlphamale's baby and raise him/her alone. :roll:



What it proves is that when women no longer DEPEND on men to support them when they decide to have children, they can run around shagging Chad McAlpha's until one of em gets her pregnant. Then she can be a "liberated", independent single mom and continue to bang McAlpha's whenever her kids aren't around. If she has to work all week then she can arrange a hookup session on her days off and get a baby sitter.



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I actually did test this assertion last year and guess what? She DID initiate it quite a bit!


That doesn't sound too convincing. Quite a bit doesn't sound like she was the only one to initiate. So did you let her initiate every time during at least a few months, and did that end up with a frequency that you found acceptable? And did you do this without complaining that you had too little sex?



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Alphas should die to make it fair for everyone dot



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What it proves is that when women no longer DEPEND on men to support them when they decide to have children, they can run around shagging Chad McAlpha's until one of em gets her pregnant. Then she can be a "liberated", independent single mom and continue to bang McAlpha's whenever her kids aren't around. If she has to work all week then she can arrange a hookup session on her days off and get a baby sitter.


Sure, and in what way would you benefit from this? How would the women themselves benefit from it other than "feeling liberated"? After all, love and companionship is a natural drive in humans that cannot be replaced with ONS with McAlpha. It's basically the same thing as when males use whores.