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Do you think that George Bush is doing a good job as President of the United States?
Yes, I think he's doing a wonderful job! 6%  6%  [ 8 ]
Yes, I think he's doing a wonderful job! 6%  6%  [ 8 ]
No, I think he's doing a horrible job! 44%  44%  [ 59 ]
No, I think he's doing a horrible job! 44%  44%  [ 59 ]
Total votes : 134

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25 Feb 2005, 8:14 pm

Epimonandas wrote:
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Which would be to the centre... liberal = tolerant/progressive in social terms, as opposed to moralising or authoritarian. I suspect genuinely radical social views which are the hallmark of the left don't get much of an airing.

Incidentally, as this is a political issue not a social one in question, I think my point was pretty valid.

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The Left gets too much here, as they control most of the media.


Oh, please. :roll:

Have you ever hear of Fox News? They're really 'fair and balanced'. :roll: At least Fox News FINALLY gives a voice to middle-class/wealthy, white, Christian males! :roll:



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25 Feb 2005, 8:35 pm

car_crash wrote:
thats what they would say on fox news.

do you think the ceo's of most corporations vote democrat epimonandas?

because as far as i can see. the person who owns a media outlet is the person most likely to have control over that outlet.

how many american papers actively opposed iraq war II. the "liberal" new york times was all for it wasnt it? that guy (i forget his name) who was clintons foreign policy chief stated his reasons for supporting the war as "the hidden hand of the market sometimes needs the hidden fist".

friedman is his name. he wanted to force private i.e american ownership of iraqs economy. he can come out and say it, bush cant. no right minded indivdual is going to support that war so they have to drum up reasons for it like WMD and democracy.

its a complete crock of sh** in all honesty


Personally I at least have to agree with Ep that the left does have a grip on the media (especially CNN, NBC, NPR, L.A. Times, NY Times, Washington Post, etc.). That's not to say that they throw an immense ammount of smoke at things, but its enough to where a lot of the positves that the right achieve get very much under-aired, anything they do wrong is all over headlines, whereas on the left you can have guys like Sandy Burger shoving top-secret papers down his pants and it's only..ehh...kinda important if it has to be.

One of the things that really got me feeling thet FOX News had a grain of truth which the others didn't was just how spazzed out the liberal media got over one runt upstart station (minescule in comparison with the other networks). If the major networks are so on point, why even worry about some little right-leaning network like FOX News? Why would they matter? Why would they spaz about Rupert Murdock owning 2% of the media when there are people out there who own much more? To me it only seems logical that there's only one reason why a station like FOX wold be so controversal and to where college professors would be citing it next to smut and tabloid magazines as an invalid source for reports. Maybe there is a better reason, but for the life of me I just can't come up with it.



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26 Feb 2005, 8:51 am

bec wrote:

Have you ever hear of Fox News? They're really 'fair and balanced'. :roll: At least Fox News FINALLY gives a voice to middle-class/wealthy, white, Christian males!


oooohhhh. One station. What about Washington Post, NY Times, Time Magazine, most media in general, CBS, CNN, ABC, even NBC sometimes are not exactly wholeheartedly in favor of the right.

Fox is relatively new, and at least they often show both sides of any view, unlike other networks, mainly CBS.

Car, honestly, I don't know where you get these bizarre ideas. Besides, Fox is owned by a foreigner, an Austrailian named Rupert Murdoch.



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26 Feb 2005, 5:28 pm

which of those organizations opposed the iraq war?



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26 Feb 2005, 7:45 pm

now our country has more enemies then allies. impeach tex


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01 Mar 2005, 1:09 am

Chris wrote:
Here you can say what you think on the War on Terror and George W. Bush. I remember Alex saying in another forum that you're allowed to make personal attacks against anyone who is not a WrongPlanet member and probably never will become one. So feel free to say all you want about him as long as it doesn't include profanity.

As for me, I feel like Bush has done a terrible job. ... Yet he won the presidential election again?! Ugh!! I think John Kerry should have won.

Yours truly,

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Hey Chris, I voted he was doing a bad job, but I was a little torn as to how to answer.

Here is why:

What is happening now is like a healing crisis.. it looks bad feels bad and in some ways what he is doing is bad, and yet, what is happening is for us to all wake up and finally say "Hey, everybody! the Emperor* has no clothes!"

*The emperor in this case being our crummy, pitiful, disgusting management of society in the "pretend disguise" of helping everyone.

Truth is, the scandals have always been in the open, but we have been instructed to believe that it being covered up. But when the burden gets too galling (thanks to men like GW) people will just say, "Enough is enough! We are done pretending we don't know you are taking away our freedom!"

LOL

So that's what I think. :D



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01 Mar 2005, 9:05 am

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the usa is crap.. once they starting thinking that they are the best in the world and brag that everyone else is crap.. maybe i will slightly like them.. IDIOTS :lol: extroverted wankers


Why don't you say what you really feel - no need to bottle it all up..... :lol:


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01 Mar 2005, 9:40 am

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01 Mar 2005, 10:23 am

You guys seem to be taking this way too seriously. It no longer matters whether you like him or not, because he is there. And when other nations' media and public continue bashing America, it will only alienate more Americans from them and perhaps make another Bush ever more likely. Perhaps you should stop adding fuel to the fire, so to speak, and take it easy. The only thing to do now, no matter your side, is to hope that it works out in the end. At least there were elections and millions braved life threatening situations to vote anyway. If there had not been a 9/11, the U.S. might not ever have gone in this direction in the first place. Judging by the past, the U.S. would prefer to be isolationist if it could, but that only led to another 60 million or so deaths the last time the U.S. tried to stay out of world politics.



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01 Mar 2005, 11:08 am

alex wrote:
Note: Please refrain from insulting members of the forum, regardless of the validity of your assertions.

mu ha ha ha ha
(that was just funny)


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02 Mar 2005, 3:25 am

Epimonandas wrote:
You guys seem to be taking this way too seriously. It no longer matters whether you like him or not, because he is there. And when other nations' media and public continue bashing America, it will only alienate more Americans from them and perhaps make another Bush ever more likely. Perhaps you should stop adding fuel to the fire, so to speak, and take it easy. The only thing to do now, no matter your side, is to hope that it works out in the end. At least there were elections and millions braved life threatening situations to vote anyway. If there had not been a 9/11, the U.S. might not ever have gone in this direction in the first place. Judging by the past, the U.S. would prefer to be isolationist if it could, but that only led to another 60 million or so deaths the last time the U.S. tried to stay out of world politics.


america to me is nothing but a mass of land. its primarily washingtons foreign policy i despise, not americans. despising all americans regardless of their actions or beliefs is nothing more than racism



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02 Mar 2005, 10:01 am

This man, dubya, does not speak for all of us.
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