Rob from rich,give to poor -> rob from poor,give to poor
During the Great Depression the amount of violence among the unemployed was rather low. Most crime was related to Prohibition, not to poverty and there was much blood spilled over who would control the trade in illegal booze.
As for my "ideal world", I don't have one. I have -this- world, the world I live in and I do the best I can in it.
I expect very little from people and I surely do not count on moral excellence. If it happens, that is good, but it is an accident. Most people follow the line of least resistance and try to do the best they can given the circumstances and their limitations. I am in no position to either expect or demand excellence or heroism from others.
Keep your expectations low and your door locked.
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I am having personal issues now with anger and severe depression. Using a parental tone to tell me off for my "attitude problem" isn't going to help. And no, I do not have any charitable feelings for selfish people who would wish to turn the clock back 80 years to a time when there was no government assistance for people who were unemployed or disabled. I hold nothing but contempt and a deep and painful hatred for such people. Sorry, my hatred is not my choice. I don't want it to consume me but the evil I see is just too tangible for my mind to handle in my present vulnerable state. I'm not going to be participating in the ppr forum any more for my own health. If a site administrator had the power to ban me from the ppr forum alone this would be something I'd request.
This is my last post here.
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I am having personal issues now with anger and severe depression. Using a parental tone to tell me off for my "attitude problem" isn't going to help. And no, I do not have any charitable feelings for selfish people who would wish to turn the clock back 80 years to a time when there was no government assistance for people who were unemployed or disabled. I hold nothing but contempt and a deep and painful hatred for such people. Sorry, my hatred is not my choice. I don't want it to consume me but the evil I see is just too tangible for my mind to handle in my present vulnerable state. I'm not going to be participating in the ppr forum any more for my own health. If a site administrator had the power to ban me from the ppr forum alone this would be something I'd request.
This is my last post here.
i wish i could impart on you the peace that comes from a willingness to let go and let god, who made all kinds in this world, to expose us to lessons on how not to behave. the hateful people on this forum are teachers, so try not to hate them. they teach us how noxious hate can be. put informally, they serve a very important function, as a bad example.
marshall - This reminds me of a recent column of the great Alexander Cockburn who was taught this by of all people an editor at Penthouse. He would ask his interns "How pure is your hatred?", and Cockburn said "It's pure" with pride. He related this to tell people not to have big hopes for Ed Milliband in Britain as Cockburn put that question to him when he was an intern at The Nation and Milliband became all defensive and didn't give him the affirmative answer he wanted.
In short, when it comes to injustice and what is wrong, hatred is not a bad thing. If we don't hate injustice, then it will never be reduced, ever.
I am having personal issues now with anger and severe depression. Using a parental tone to tell me off for my "attitude problem" isn't going to help. And no, I do not have any charitable feelings for selfish people who would wish to turn the clock back 80 years to a time when there was no government assistance for people who were unemployed or disabled. I hold nothing but contempt and a deep and painful hatred for such people. Sorry, my hatred is not my choice. I don't want it to consume me but the evil I see is just too tangible for my mind to handle in my present vulnerable state. I'm not going to be participating in the ppr forum any more for my own health. If a site administrator had the power to ban me from the ppr forum alone this would be something I'd request.
This is my last post here.
I sincerely hope that you're able to get out of the funk soon. I have several family members who suffer from severe deprssion and I know how much they suffer. Just know that not everyone sucks. There's a lot of goodness going on, even as I type. There is a light at the end of the dark tunnel, even if you can't see it now. Feel better soon! (I hope this didn't come off as dismissive or anything, because that's not how I meant it.)
I am having personal issues now with anger and severe depression. Using a parental tone to tell me off for my "attitude problem" isn't going to help. And no, I do not have any charitable feelings for selfish people who would wish to turn the clock back 80 years to a time when there was no government assistance for people who were unemployed or disabled. I hold nothing but contempt and a deep and painful hatred for such people. Sorry, my hatred is not my choice. I don't want it to consume me but the evil I see is just too tangible for my mind to handle in my present vulnerable state. I'm not going to be participating in the ppr forum any more for my own health. If a site administrator had the power to ban me from the ppr forum alone this would be something I'd request.
This is my last post here.
Maybe I phrased it wrong. How about "Don't demand charity because then it isn't charity any more." Be angered by misers and skinflints and the monumentally self-interested by all means, but there really is no point in demanding that they change their ways, because they won't.
Having "anger and severe depression" isn't an excuse to act like a knob either, especially on a forum liberally populated with people who have anger and depression problems ALL the time. Being rude and aggressive just makes people get rude and aggressive back, and that's not helpful when you're having anger issues.
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Yeah, just like the problem of actually never having enough is just in appearance as well? But only if a person is white, because they are somehow born with financial advantages exclusive to having more likelihood of sunburn....
Yeah, just like the problem of actually never having enough is just in appearance as well? But only if a person is white, because they are somehow born with financial advantages exclusive to having more likelihood of sunburn....
It says in Perke Avot (The Sayings of the Sages): Who is rich? He who is satisfied with his portion.
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Yeah, just like the problem of actually never having enough is just in appearance as well? But only if a person is white, because they are somehow born with financial advantages exclusive to having more likelihood of sunburn....
It says in Perke Avot (The Sayings of the Sages): Who is rich? He who is satisfied with his portion.
ruveyn
Would Avot be the plural form of the word for father?
Yeah, just like the problem of actually never having enough is just in appearance as well? But only if a person is white, because they are somehow born with financial advantages exclusive to having more likelihood of sunburn....
It says in Perke Avot (The Sayings of the Sages): Who is rich? He who is satisfied with his portion.
ruveyn
Would Avot be the plural form of the word for father?
It would indeed. The literal translation of Perke Avot is Portions (of text) of the Fathers referring to the sayings of the Jewish Sages who lived around the time Hilllel, Akiba and Shammai. It is the sixth book of the Mishne Torah which is a written down version of the Oral Tradition. The Mishne is the root portion of the the Talmud which has further commentary on the Oral Tradition.
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After all his money was gone, maybe he would actually feel relieved over no longer having to try to hold on to it.
i remember reading a folk tale about a king that was not happy until he lost all of his riches and power. even the clothes on his back. naked, powerless and poor, he felt free.
what was my point? i forgot.
Obviously the point was that he lost his mind as well as his power.
Not necessarily. People with more money seem to have more money troubles* ... and several folks with far more than me have heartily agreed when I have said that to them.
(*Note: The problem of seeming to never have enough can easily grow right alongside anyone's balance sheet.)
Mo' money, mo' problems. A miserable SOB who comes upon a fortune is just a miserable SOB with more money. Truly happy rich people would be just as happy without the money. Each step up the financial ladder carries more weight.
The misery that comes with money is minuscule compared with the misery that comes without it. That's a myth promulgated by the rich to keep the poor from strangling them.
I disagree. When money becomes a #1 priority, then you are bound to be miserable. I've been in both situations both during childhood and during adulthood. I think when you're put in a situation where material possessions have to be given up, it forces you to look at what's really important. It promotes creativity and a simpler life based on the things that truly matter most, which happens to not be things at all, but people.
But rich people don't all worry about their money. The hire excellent managers to do that for them and meanwhile enjoy all that money can buy - which is quite a lot.
Your whole base theory is flawed because that's not how robbery works. Robin Hood didn't remove the machinery of state that allowed the rich to be rich. He merely removed the wealth generated, which would eventually be replaced by more wealth.
In a modern setting, nobody RICH who gets robbed stays poor. They merely generate more income, claim from insurance etc etc. The only people who get poorer from theft are the poor or the lower middle classes, who can often be considered "poor" by comparison to the rich.
The only way for a modern Robin Hood to make rich people poor would be to go round getting in on the employment ladder higher than them, and removing them, thus making them poor.
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Your whole base theory is flawed because that's not how robbery works. Robin Hood didn't remove the machinery of state that allowed the rich to be rich. He merely removed the wealth generated, which would eventually be replaced by more wealth.
In a modern setting, nobody RICH who gets robbed stays poor. They merely generate more income, claim from insurance etc etc. The only people who get poorer from theft are the poor or the lower middle classes, who can often be considered "poor" by comparison to the rich.
The only way for a modern Robin Hood to make rich people poor would be to go round getting in on the employment ladder higher than them, and removing them, thus making them poor.
Why not just gas board room meetings?
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