How do you lot manage to stick with a religion?

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29 Aug 2011, 12:30 am

I think to date the longest I've managed to stay with a religion was 4 years. Asatru. I would copy the passages in the Prose and Poetic Eddas, read my own notes, study Snorri's life and death, listen exclusively to music by fellow Asatruar, etc. Then my interests changed, and while I still believe in the gods of my ancestors, I have no desire to know more about them. I certainly don't want to spend my money on offerings, especially because there's no way I can afford a new hunting bow for Ullr. A while back I was willing to get really, really drunk and "pluck" out my own eye as a sign of devotion. Glad the feeling passed, but sometimes I envy people their ability to maintain that unwavering faith no matter how much times passes and how much they'd rather be on the internet reading about lizards.



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29 Aug 2011, 12:43 am

My faith used to waver. Religion is one of my special interests, so I keep reading stories. There was a time I didn't believe in god but then that empty feeling made me literally sick. Now I just keep coming back to believing in Buddhism. The more I read about it the more it keeps me sane :)



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29 Aug 2011, 12:54 am

Well, I enjoy reading about lizards, though i suspect I trust the web resources less than those in the U library which anyone worth his salt will read with a grain of salt.

I have no impulse to join the Skoptsy or pluck out an eye [I have an eye phobia, anyway] or cut off a finger joint - devotion by me is not impulsive or unsane, and God and I do not have that kind of relationship.

Offerings and potfaiths and men's groups and the other paraphernalia of religious organizations - which are very distinct from the religion itself - do not draw me any more than you. I am at best asocial and often antisocial, and while corporate worship is fine being part of the church family - I already have three families, mine and Herself''s and ours. AND I was part of a univerfsity department long years - I gave at the office.

Not intending offence, if I mistake, sorry, but your description sounds rather like what you get with some wicca types and some neoEastern religionists - closer to a roleplaying game than a reality. I have in my lost youth done something of the sort, designing a pantheon on the IndoEuropean model, closer to the GraecoRoman than to the Germanic. But it WAS a roleplat, on the levelof my "reconstruction" of Gaulish [I was a very young and snotty critter].

But since I slammed headfirst into Christianity, much to my chagrin And the horror of family and friends, I have had an ongoing project investigating divine entity theory and theist practice. Being a comparativist, I researched credal developments and hymn traditions, monastic rules and liturgies, besides running through variantsd of the scripture in more depth than I had before.

But it has not been limited to checking out and working up the literature. I've had a quarter of a century to look and listen and work toward a sense of how God relates to me and Hersdelf and others, at there is a lot more to go.

Thing is - not quite the give a man a fish bit - If I get interested in Indic alphabets that may keep me interested for six months. But if I get interested - as I did - in languages, what they are, how they work, hoe they develp - that is a lifetime, from about 1957 to today.

Same way, checking out the Montanists might be a month or so. But feeling out the shape of the God-elephant - not likely to end any time soon.



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29 Aug 2011, 1:43 am

my religion is like having a friend. it takes as much as it gives and doesn't really have a huge impact on my life. I don't "devote" time to it or go out of my way to do anything different really. if your religion is a struggle then i'd say it's a bad religion. i hang out with other people who share my beliefs, we share new things we discover, we encourage each other, we eat food that's bad for you. But i dunno, i'm a christian and as a christian i only have two "commandments". simply put they are Love God and love each other. That in itself isn't very time consuming or difficult. so...


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29 Aug 2011, 9:14 am

Knifey wrote:
my religion is like having a friend. it takes as much as it gives and doesn't really have a huge impact on my life. I don't "devote" time to it or go out of my way to do anything different really. if your religion is a struggle then i'd say it's a bad religion. i hang out with other people who share my beliefs, we share new things we discover, we encourage each other, we eat food that's bad for you. But i dunno, i'm a christian and as a christian i only have two "commandments". simply put they are Love God and love each other. That in itself isn't very time consuming or difficult. so...


Sounds pretty much like my set up - though we are fresh out of people who share our beliefs and are available for hanging out.

But again, personality matters - I have a young coworker and part time mentored person who isof the worrywart ennea-6 model, and he truly struggles and strives. AND another who is one of the Powervolk, and is always aggressively pushing the envelope of evangelism.



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29 Aug 2011, 10:46 am

Faith and precise belief vary over time, but I think of religion more as the faith equivalent of a nationality, or a family name: part of your heritage, the group to which you belong. My church is my faith family. Sometimes we get along beautifully, and sometimes we don't. Sometimes we agree; sometimes not at all. But it would take something pretty big to make me change my faith family.


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29 Aug 2011, 11:09 am

Dent wrote:
How do you lot manage to stick with a religion?

By ignoring all claims and evidence that contradict your religion's doctrines - especially the ones that are based on facts, not faith.


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29 Aug 2011, 11:42 am

I don't 'stick to' a specific religion. I don't pick a religion and follow it. I've found this way too stifling... constricting. I don't believe any one religion holds a monopoly on truth. Rather, I find truth in all religions.

It's all a matter of interpretation.


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29 Aug 2011, 11:46 am

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
It's all a matter of interpretation.
Yeah, we all have a sense of something bigger than us and I guess religious people just interpret it as the existence of God. I just simply interpret it as our humanity.



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29 Aug 2011, 11:51 am

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TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
It's all a matter of interpretation.
Yeah, we all have a sense of something bigger than us...

I see you've met my ex-wife.

:lol:

Seriously though, It's hard to experience something you don't understand without at least suspecting that some Higher Power may be involved. Fortunately, more rational minds have come up with something a little more reliable than the capriciousness of alleged "gods" - it's called "Science".


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29 Aug 2011, 11:57 am

Fnord wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
It's all a matter of interpretation.
Yeah, we all have a sense of something bigger than us...

I see you've met my ex-wife.

:lol:

Seriously though, It's hard to experience something you don't understand without at least suspecting that some Higher Power may be involved. Fortunately, more rational minds have come up with something a little more reliable than the capriciousness of alleged "gods" - it's called "Science".
Well I'm not saying something bigger than us has to be a higher power, but that it's a matter of how we interpret this. I interpret something bigger than us as a higher purpose rather than a higher power which is why I'm atheist. I don't think rationality holds the answer to everything in the world though. Since we know so little, we are inducers much more than we are deducers.



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29 Aug 2011, 12:01 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
It's all a matter of interpretation.
Yeah, we all have a sense of something bigger than us and I guess religious people just interpret it as the existence of God. I just simply interpret it as our humanity.


Interesting take.

Yes, even Atheists talk about how small they are in the grand scheme of things.


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29 Aug 2011, 12:02 pm

Fnord wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
It's all a matter of interpretation.
Yeah, we all have a sense of something bigger than us...

I see you've met my ex-wife.

:lol:

Seriously though, It's hard to experience something you don't understand without at least suspecting that some Higher Power may be involved. Fortunately, more rational minds have come up with something a little more reliable than the capriciousness of alleged "gods" - it's called "Science".


Fnord, science has yet to disprove the existence of god. Thus, your assertions here make no sense to me.


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29 Aug 2011, 12:49 pm

Fnord wrote:
Dent wrote:
How do you lot manage to stick with a religion?

By ignoring all claims and evidence that contradict your religion's doctrines - especially the ones that are based on facts, not faith.


Are you speaking as someone who "sticks with" a religion? Are you speaking of your personal experience prior to getting unstuck?

Or are you speaking of and for people of whom you know little and understand less?



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29 Aug 2011, 1:38 pm

Why do you have to stick to one?

Some ( like Madonna) treat religion like a buffet and partake of many traditions.
Why not?
That makes them very unpopular with the faithful within each faith, but so what?



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29 Aug 2011, 2:34 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Fnord wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
It's all a matter of interpretation.
Yeah, we all have a sense of something bigger than us...

... It's hard to experience something you don't understand without at least suspecting that some Higher Power may be involved. Fortunately, more rational minds have come up with something a little more reliable than the capriciousness of alleged "gods" - it's called "Science".

Fnord, science has yet to disprove the existence of god. Thus, your assertions here make no sense to me.

Science can not disprove anything. Science can only demonstrate the validity of a fact-based claim, resulting in a theory. Repeated and consistent validation of such a theory indicates a fact-based principle, which is generally accepted as truth by those who understand the process.

It is the failure of believers to demonstrate the validity of their faith-based claims with consistently repeatable demonstrations that causes others to disbelieve those faith-based claims.

Religion operates on faith and demands unquestioning belief.

Science is built on facts and requires relentless skepticism.


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