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25 Aug 2014, 5:48 pm

This issue is really confounding me. ISIS is not a guerilla group existing on self-funding and minimalist living style; it takes a lot of money to do what they are doing. The funding is not coming from Al Quaeda (who kicked them out of their organisation). If you are au fait with international politics and the politics of the current situation in Iraq, what are your considered thoughts on this? There are no obvious candidates so far as I can see.

Please give reasons in support of your answers, thanks in advance :)



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25 Aug 2014, 5:58 pm

B19 wrote:
This issue is really confounding me. ISIS is not a guerilla group existing on self-funding and minimalist living style; it takes a lot of money to do what they are doing. The funding is not coming from Al Quaeda (who kicked them out of their organisation). If you are au fait with international politics and the politics of the current situation in Iraq, what are your considered thoughts on this? There are no obvious candidates so far as I can see.

Please give reasons in support of your answers, thanks in advance :)

http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-fun ... ies-2014-6
http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-made- ... on/5387475
http://www.benswann.com/why-are-america ... is-in-iraq
http://www.rt.com/op-edge/168064-isis-t ... sa-cia-war


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25 Aug 2014, 10:05 pm

Thank you both for these links. They have very usefully expanded my knowledge of the situation, which is obviously even worse than I thought previously..



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26 Aug 2014, 7:38 am

So from the links the experts all agree that ISIS relies on local extortion rackets for its revenue flow.

But then its all contraversy: ISIS either does, or does not, get funding from private individuals (oil tycoons in the Gulf), and either does, or does not, get secret state funding from the Gulf states and Saudi Arabia themselves.


Presumably the Saudies, and the Gulf emirs, are afraid of the expanding influence of Iran, and its Shiite allies. So theyre funding ISIS in response. Or not. Take your pick.



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26 Aug 2014, 8:43 am

naturalplastic wrote:
So from the links the experts all agree that ISIS relies on local extortion rackets for its revenue flow.

But then its all contraversy: ISIS either does, or does not, get funding from private individuals (oil tycoons in the Gulf), and either does, or does not, get secret state funding from the Gulf states and Saudi Arabia themselves.

Presumably the Saudies, and the Gulf emirs, are afraid of the expanding influence of Iran, and its Shiite allies. So theyre funding ISIS in response. Or not. Take your pick.

It wouldn't be the first time that wealthy parties (governments and their controllers) have financed petty operators with more money than they would ever see without such assistance (see Nathan Meyer Rothschild https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Ma ... d#Business and the Battle of Waterloo as well as U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/09/ ... o-911.html and U.S. financing of the Mujahideen, Taliban, al Qaeda (and now ISIS) since the 1980s). And, if a financier can finance both sides of a battle or endless war, couldn't several financiers do the same? Just because a petty operator gets high-level financing, doesn't mean that there is no benefit to all involved pretending that the operator also gets financed from small-time crime like extortion.


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26 Aug 2014, 11:19 pm

Looks like they have glossy brochures to show to prospective investors...
http://rt.com/news/166920-isis-iraq-offensive-report/



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26 Aug 2014, 11:45 pm

Do you think Isis will achieve its goal of making Iraq a totally Islamist state in accordance with their particular version of that? They have expanded territory under their control to a substantial level already..



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27 Aug 2014, 1:12 am

I think a lot of their funding has come from bounty/spoils of war, and maybe sales of things we have left behind. But, I think in some roundabout, unproven way, they are funded by us, the CIA. The CIA (us) are notorious for funding our own enemies.



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27 Aug 2014, 2:18 am

I believe Germany recently accused Qatar of funding them.


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27 Aug 2014, 5:07 am

B19 wrote:
Do you think Isis will achieve its goal of making Iraq a totally Islamist state in accordance with their particular version of that? They have expanded territory under their control to a substantial level already..


Eventually they will fail, because they won't get international recognition. Everyone hates them and wants them gone, but at this moment no one wants to get involved themselves.



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02 Sep 2014, 11:54 pm

haven't they made $100 million this year alone, in ransom?



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03 Sep 2014, 10:45 am

ISIS was funded indirectly by America and the UK when they sent weapons to the rebels fighting the Assad regime in Syria. Many of those rebels were terrorists. Still are, as a matter of fact. ISIS and it's affiliates were active in Syria. This is how they got big.



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03 Sep 2014, 11:01 am

INFOWARS.COM: "Gen. McInerney: 'We Helped Build ISIS'" (September 3, 2014)
http://www.infowars.com/gen-mcinerney-w ... build-isis


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04 Sep 2014, 11:06 am

INFOWARS.COM: "Slip-Up? McCain Says 'National Security Team Recommended Arming ISIS'" (September 4, 2014)
http://www.infowars.com/slip-up-mccain- ... rming-isis

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Arizona Sen. John McCain made an interesting comment regarding the federal government?s policy towards the ISIS terrorist group Wednesday evening during an appearance on Fox News.

At the 1:00 mark in the short clip with Greta Van Susteran, McCain mentions a meeting the President held with his national security team in which all members reportedly ?recommended arming ISIS.?

?Hillary Clinton has described already the meeting in the White House over two years ago? everyone in the national security team recommended arming ISIS and the President, by himself, turned it down,? McCain said....


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04 Sep 2014, 11:44 am

AspieUtah wrote:
INFOWARS.COM: "Slip-Up? McCain Says 'National Security Team Recommended Arming ISIS'" (September 4, 2014)
http://www.infowars.com/slip-up-mccain- ... rming-isis

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Arizona Sen. John McCain made an interesting comment regarding the federal government?s policy towards the ISIS terrorist group Wednesday evening during an appearance on Fox News.

At the 1:00 mark in the short clip with Greta Van Susteran, McCain mentions a meeting the President held with his national security team in which all members reportedly ?recommended arming ISIS.?

?Hillary Clinton has described already the meeting in the White House over two years ago? everyone in the national security team recommended arming ISIS and the President, by himself, turned it down,? McCain said....


I'm kind of surprised McCain had done the President a solid by recalling how he had rejected the idea of arming ISIS.


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