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24 Dec 2014, 3:04 pm

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The science of police is an imperfect one as well as the science of human being.

That is NOT EVER going to change.

There are going to be good and bad apples when it comes to human beings, particularly in a profession where fearless is MOST OFTEN THE requirement to GET THE JOB DONE.

SAME THING WITH COLLEGE FOOTBALL TEAMS, or crime for a living, AS THAT IS PART OF 'STRONGER' human nature for the basic instinct for HUMAN survival.

The FACT THAT we now have 24 hour news and almost unlimited avenues to see it EXACERBATES EVERY BAD THING THAT HAS ALWAYS HAPPENED IN HUMAN LIFE.

THE badDER thing IS the ILLUSION THAT THINGS ARE WORSE THAN THEY WERE BEFORE, CAN POTENTIALLY manipulate some of the BAD APPLES INTO DOING more REALLY BAD APPLE THINGS.

AND WHEN enough of the BAD APPLES GET TOGETHER, THE ILLUSION THAT THINGS ARE WORSE THAN BEFORE can truly become REALITY.

AND THEN a self-fulfilling prophecy can COME TRUE.

THE BEST answer I have to keep one sane AND SAFER, OVERALL, IS NOT TO WATCH THE NEWS AT ALL.

THE MIND ITSELF IS OFTEN ONE'S WORST ENEMY or BEST FRIEND, and what one feeds it, generally, speaking, IS WHAT IT BECOMES.

THAT'S THE SCARIEST AND MOST HOPEFUL THING OF ALL, IN ALL OF THIS, TO ME.

And the best thing is the solution is so dam simple, overall, per JUST TURN THE CHANNEL OR TURN IT OFF, ALL TOGETHER, PER A POTENTIALLY better self-fulfilling prophecy, FOR at least one person.


Meditation would help so many people if only they would learn to meditate and steady the mind. Too many emotions out there, and irrational actions.



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24 Dec 2014, 3:11 pm

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People think tazers are fool proof but I know of one case where the woman was tazed by the cops downtown and she died from it.
So anytime you put yourself in a struggle with cops you are in danger and when you remain passive and cooperative, you might go to jail, but you will live.

It is just a bad idea to ever struggle with the cops and keep in mind cops respond to calls by people who saw someone doing something and report it, they don't just see people and think, I am gonna go get that guy just because. Some cases yeah I have seen videos of cops and think they over reacted, and I think that's the case with Eric Garner. Maybe they thought he was trying to fool them so they ignored him when he said he couldn't breathe but I am with right wingers and tea partiers on this issue. All that drama over cigarettes is just stupid. The guy was selling cigarettes for chrissakes. Good Lord. So with that particular one, I agree it was ridiculous to even treat him like that or arrest him even.

But, some of these others, where they are armed and looking to fight, I know the cop, like me if they were coming at me, should have the right to defend themselves just like I want that same right if someone is coming at me with a gun or a hammer. I don't want to be charged with murder if I take the guy out before he gets me so the cop shouldn't be charged, either.


Also not so sure being passive and cooperative guarantees the police will not act brutally...also though one can only remain so passive and cooperative to an extent in a high stress situation. For instance yeah if cop stops me I'm not going to get agressive and start telling them 'f*** you' or anything I'll be calm and cooperate, but if they start acting aggressively/harassing then yes out of fear I might then seem less 'cooperative' due to being very anxious, cringing if they make sudden moves and...once when I was trying to cooperate with being searched(kinda long story) I was just really freaked out because cops showing up made me very anxious so I was having a hard time moving smoothly if that makes sense and they like warned me not ot resist(I wasn't honestly I was to afraid to do anything to not cooperate it was just my psychological/physical reaction). So guess from my perspective I can see how they could escalate the situation to try and induce resistance...or jump to the conclusion they are trying to resist in some way without considering maybe they're a little freaked out by being confronted with multiple armed cops with guns and tazers.

Also say a cop starts hitting someone and they are just trying to block themselves from injury, and cops decide to call it resistance? I could see that happening....so I don't know just don't always buy the 'resisting' arrest because lots of senerios where that is not entirely the case but still is described that way.


But yeah even if they did not believe the guy when he said he couldn't breath, still should have let him out of the choke hold or loosened it or whatever the hell you do to not kill someone with one. Also there is a difference between running at a cop with a weapon and being shot in the process and being unjustly harrassed by cops. I mean I heard one case where they killed a schizophrenic teen who was restrained by two other cops...just shot him in the head while restrained obviously that is nothing like a cop defending them-self from someone running at them with a weapon and intent to kill/harm.


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24 Dec 2014, 3:34 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

Also not so sure being passive and cooperative guarantees the police will not act brutally...also though one can only remain so passive and cooperative to an extent in a high stress situation. For instance yeah if cop stops me I'm not going to get agressive and start telling them 'f*** you' or anything I'll be calm and cooperate, but if they start acting aggressively/harassing then yes out of fear I might then seem less 'cooperative' due to being very anxious, cringing if they make sudden moves and...once when I was trying to cooperate with being searched(kinda long story) I was just really freaked out because cops showing up made me very anxious so I was having a hard time moving smoothly if that makes sense and they like warned me not ot resist(I wasn't honestly I was to afraid to do anything to not cooperate it was just my psychological/physical reaction). So guess from my perspective I can see how they could escalate the situation to try and induce resistance...or jump to the conclusion they are trying to resist in some way without considering maybe they're a little freaked out by being confronted with multiple armed cops with guns and tazers.

Also say a cop starts hitting someone and they are just trying to block themselves from injury, and cops decide to call it resistance? I could see that happening....so I don't know just don't always buy the 'resisting' arrest because lots of senerios where that is not entirely the case but still is described that way.


But yeah even if they did not believe the guy when he said he couldn't breath, still should have let him out of the choke hold or loosened it or whatever the hell you do to not kill someone with one. Also there is a difference between running at a cop with a weapon and being shot in the process and being unjustly harrassed by cops. I mean I heard one case where they killed a schizophrenic teen who was restrained by two other cops...just shot him in the head while restrained obviously that is nothing like a cop defending them-self from someone running at them with a weapon and intent to kill/harm.

Unfortunately, there aren't any guarantees in life and some folks are just unlucky. What I have learned is someone who has a grudge against you, all they have to do is call the cops in your town and make up a bunch of bs to them and that can be enough to get your harassed by the cops and yep it is stressful and it can be a difficult situation to resolve because once that happens the cops will pester and watch you whenever you leave your house or drive your car down the road. It's not because they just see you because they see lots of people and it becomes a big blur to them. They go after people who have been called in by others. Sometimes it's justified but there is nothing stopping someone who is mad at you over something from trying to use cops as a way to make your life miserable and such persons can actually be worse than you as in the way they behave and to take the heat off them and get even with you, they make you out to be something you aren't to the cops.

And then when you try to tell the cops these people have beat you up in the past and have beaten up each other and are just pretty much dysfunctional and toxic to themselves and to you, the cops only think you are saying it in retaliation and making it up.

So it becomes a big mess.



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24 Dec 2014, 3:37 pm

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Unfortunately, there aren't any guarantees in life and some folks are just unlucky. What I have learned is someone who has a grudge against you, all they have to do is call the cops in your town and make up a bunch of bs to them and that can be enough to get your harassed by the cops and yep it is stressful and it can be a difficult situation to resolve because once that happens the cops will pester and watch you whenever you leave your house or drive your car down the road. It's not because they just see you because they see lots of people and it becomes a big blur to them. They go after people who have been called in by others. Sometimes it's justified but there is nothing stopping someone who is mad at you over something from trying to use cops as a way to make your life miserable and such persons can actually be worse than you as in the way they behave and to take the heat off them and get even with you, they make you out to be something you aren't to the cops.


One of the nice things about where I live is that it is relatively unpopulated and you tend to know the local cops. They would be a lot less likely to harass someone based on the reports of some nutcase from somewhere else.



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24 Dec 2014, 3:43 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Unfortunately, there aren't any guarantees in life and some folks are just unlucky. What I have learned is someone who has a grudge against you, all they have to do is call the cops in your town and make up a bunch of bs to them and that can be enough to get your harassed by the cops and yep it is stressful and it can be a difficult situation to resolve because once that happens the cops will pester and watch you whenever you leave your house or drive your car down the road. It's not because they just see you because they see lots of people and it becomes a big blur to them. They go after people who have been called in by others. Sometimes it's justified but there is nothing stopping someone who is mad at you over something from trying to use cops as a way to make your life miserable and such persons can actually be worse than you as in the way they behave and to take the heat off them and get even with you, they make you out to be something you aren't to the cops.


One of the nice things about where I live is that it is relatively unpopulated and you tend to know the local cops. They would be a lot less likely to harass someone based on the reports of some nutcase from somewhere else.



My mom grew up in the middle of nowhere and she never even saw cops at home when she was growing up and only occasionally saw them in town. Eventually, one of her cousins became the only cop in town or something. There was only one or two cops total.



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24 Dec 2014, 4:00 pm

Anyway, to make a long story short, how I managed the mess around me, was to, first disengage from the toxic abusive people who had and probably still don't, have any idea of how much help they need, all the time pointing the finger at others, spreading malicious, untrue gossip and just trying to stress people out as much as possible and when you are busy trying to make something out of an incredibly abusive and traumatic childhood, part of which they helped to create, you simply don't need that. So, I stopped having any contact with them, first and that helped a whole lot. Then, I just started ignoring the cops, pretending they weren't even there and not letting them bother me. I knew I was doing nothing wrong and I also knew why the cops were bothering me, because of some bs, so who cares? Just don't pay attention to them and go about my daily life. And you know what, those people moved away and now I never get followed or bothered by cops. So things do get better.



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24 Dec 2014, 4:30 pm

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Sweetleaf wrote:

Also not so sure being passive and cooperative guarantees the police will not act brutally...also though one can only remain so passive and cooperative to an extent in a high stress situation. For instance yeah if cop stops me I'm not going to get agressive and start telling them 'f*** you' or anything I'll be calm and cooperate, but if they start acting aggressively/harassing then yes out of fear I might then seem less 'cooperative' due to being very anxious, cringing if they make sudden moves and...once when I was trying to cooperate with being searched(kinda long story) I was just really freaked out because cops showing up made me very anxious so I was having a hard time moving smoothly if that makes sense and they like warned me not ot resist(I wasn't honestly I was to afraid to do anything to not cooperate it was just my psychological/physical reaction). So guess from my perspective I can see how they could escalate the situation to try and induce resistance...or jump to the conclusion they are trying to resist in some way without considering maybe they're a little freaked out by being confronted with multiple armed cops with guns and tazers.

Also say a cop starts hitting someone and they are just trying to block themselves from injury, and cops decide to call it resistance? I could see that happening....so I don't know just don't always buy the 'resisting' arrest because lots of senerios where that is not entirely the case but still is described that way.


But yeah even if they did not believe the guy when he said he couldn't breath, still should have let him out of the choke hold or loosened it or whatever the hell you do to not kill someone with one. Also there is a difference between running at a cop with a weapon and being shot in the process and being unjustly harrassed by cops. I mean I heard one case where they killed a schizophrenic teen who was restrained by two other cops...just shot him in the head while restrained obviously that is nothing like a cop defending them-self from someone running at them with a weapon and intent to kill/harm.

Unfortunately, there aren't any guarantees in life and some folks are just unlucky. What I have learned is someone who has a grudge against you, all they have to do is call the cops in your town and make up a bunch of bs to them and that can be enough to get your harassed by the cops and yep it is stressful and it can be a difficult situation to resolve because once that happens the cops will pester and watch you whenever you leave your house or drive your car down the road. It's not because they just see you because they see lots of people and it becomes a big blur to them. They go after people who have been called in by others. Sometimes it's justified but there is nothing stopping someone who is mad at you over something from trying to use cops as a way to make your life miserable and such persons can actually be worse than you as in the way they behave and to take the heat off them and get even with you, they make you out to be something you aren't to the cops.

And then when you try to tell the cops these people have beat you up in the past and have beaten up each other and are just pretty much dysfunctional and toxic to themselves and to you, the cops only think you are saying it in retaliation and making it up.

So it becomes a big mess.


Most people I know don't like calling the cops at all and would not unless it was really necessary......I really dislike people like what you describe...ick. Thus far anyone who's tried to screw me over either can't call them cause they're doing something stupidly illegal them-self and don't want the attention, or when I was 15 this wrote some stupid threat thing on the wall(nothing they where going to actually carry out)...I didn't want to say anything because I thought she was my 'best friend' then she started making comments implying she thought I did it, and so I ended up telling them she did it and then she told them I did and had 'plans' written in journals(journals my therapist said to write in so I just wrote embarrasing angry stuff in there but no plans of anything just a way of getting negative thoughts out of my head)...so they went and searched my room with no warrant, threatened my mom they would just arrest me and throw me in jail and all this crap. Confiscated it and then I guess from what I understand illegally questioned me about the contents for hours on end with no permission from either of my parents but they made it seem like i had to talk to them. Anyways after all that fun stuff me and my mom talked to a public defender who called up the police department of the town and proceeded to professionally b*tch them out for over-stepping their boundaries and all kinds of stuff and so they dropped whatever charges they where trying to give me and I didn't end up having to go to court. All I did was turn her in full cooperation and they wanted to charge me? Obviously don't care much for encountering them after that. Oh and I did eventually get my stupid journals back I have yet to burn them...unless i already threw them away didn't want them after a bunch of cops dug around in them.

But I guess I was lucky, that could have f***d my life up more than it already is all because I struggled trying to figure out the right thing to do and did what I thought that was. Then when ever i end up having to talk to cops they ask all kinds of stupid questions about why I seem anxious....its like hmmm I wonder. :roll:


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