Did Mike Brown deserve to die?
22 May 2015, 7:41 am
The word "cracker" means "slave driver" (one who cracks a whip). That's quite obviously different to "thug" - one is shooting up, the other is shooting down.
If you want to use the word "thug" then nobody is going to stop you, just be aware that, rightly or wrongly, you run the risk of being perceived as a racist if you use the language of racists.
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22 May 2015, 10:12 am
denpajin wrote:
Fugu wrote:
denpajin wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
denpajin wrote:
I still don't see how using the word "thug" makes me a racist. Is it that people use the word "thug" only when it comes to black people, or what?
Yes, it is overwhelmingly used towards black people.
Mike Brown was friends with a shoplifter and punched a police officer, I hardly feel that qualifies him as person who "caused great discomfort and injustice" and thus deserved to die
You might want to look into race relations in the Western world. I appreciate that it is hard for you because Norway is bordering on a monoculture, but you're making statements from complete ignorance and making yourself look like a heartless, callous fool whilst using racial buzzwords.
Ah, I see you have never been to Oslo! Norway is far from a monocultural society (save the rural areas), but you seem to not know what you are talking about. Why don't you take a plane over here to Norway and I'll guide you through east-Oslo.
He didn't just punch a police officer, he went for his gun. What do you think he would have done had he gotten ahold of that gun?
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And once again, "thug" has nothing to do with racism. It's just you attributing political meaning to words that are racially neutral, because it fits your agenda (which to me seems like is apologizing for a violent thug). Are you saying that the Oxford English dictionary, and the Merriam Webster dictionary are both wrong in their definiton of "thug"? Because they both define it as something along the lines of "violent criminal" or a "ruffian", which is exactly what Mike Brown was. Feel free to deny facts, I can't stop you from being stupid.
http://www.salon.com/topic/southern_strategy/
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/29/us/baltim ... ug-n-word/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics
I am never going to ignore facts because fools with an agenda (apologizing for violent criminals and thugs) chose to attribute a political meaning to certain words. And regarding that CNN article, he's just trying to justify people going around and looting stores. God knows why. Maybe he has a point? Maybe it's OK that we call these people every ugly word in the book. They certainly aren't acting like respectable upstanding citizens, why should we be so nice when we talk about them? These are looters and rioters, not protesters.
Also, is it OK for Kraichgauer to call white people who are bigoted and racist "crackers"? If that's OK, then I guess it should also be OK for me to call black people "thugs", even though thug actually can apply to anyone, as long as they are violent criminals and ruffians.
Last time I looked in the mirror, I saw a white guy looking back, so my use of "cracker" isn't racist.
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23 May 2015, 8:20 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
denpajin wrote:
Fugu wrote:
denpajin wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
denpajin wrote:
I still don't see how using the word "thug" makes me a racist. Is it that people use the word "thug" only when it comes to black people, or what?
Yes, it is overwhelmingly used towards black people.
Mike Brown was friends with a shoplifter and punched a police officer, I hardly feel that qualifies him as person who "caused great discomfort and injustice" and thus deserved to die
You might want to look into race relations in the Western world. I appreciate that it is hard for you because Norway is bordering on a monoculture, but you're making statements from complete ignorance and making yourself look like a heartless, callous fool whilst using racial buzzwords.
Ah, I see you have never been to Oslo! Norway is far from a monocultural society (save the rural areas), but you seem to not know what you are talking about. Why don't you take a plane over here to Norway and I'll guide you through east-Oslo.
He didn't just punch a police officer, he went for his gun. What do you think he would have done had he gotten ahold of that gun?
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And once again, "thug" has nothing to do with racism. It's just you attributing political meaning to words that are racially neutral, because it fits your agenda (which to me seems like is apologizing for a violent thug). Are you saying that the Oxford English dictionary, and the Merriam Webster dictionary are both wrong in their definiton of "thug"? Because they both define it as something along the lines of "violent criminal" or a "ruffian", which is exactly what Mike Brown was. Feel free to deny facts, I can't stop you from being stupid.
http://www.salon.com/topic/southern_strategy/
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/29/us/baltim ... ug-n-word/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics
I am never going to ignore facts because fools with an agenda (apologizing for violent criminals and thugs) chose to attribute a political meaning to certain words. And regarding that CNN article, he's just trying to justify people going around and looting stores. God knows why. Maybe he has a point? Maybe it's OK that we call these people every ugly word in the book. They certainly aren't acting like respectable upstanding citizens, why should we be so nice when we talk about them? These are looters and rioters, not protesters.
Also, is it OK for Kraichgauer to call white people who are bigoted and racist "crackers"? If that's OK, then I guess it should also be OK for me to call black people "thugs", even though thug actually can apply to anyone, as long as they are violent criminals and ruffians.
Last time I looked in the mirror, I saw a white guy looking back, so my use of "cracker" isn't racist.
For once, you are right.
Definition of racism in English:
noun
[mass noun]
1Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior:
https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defi ... ish/racism
23 May 2015, 8:22 am
The_Walrus wrote:
The word "cracker" means "slave driver" (one who cracks a whip). That's quite obviously different to "thug" - one is shooting up, the other is shooting down.
If you want to use the word "thug" then nobody is going to stop you, just be aware that, rightly or wrongly, you run the risk of being perceived as a racist if you use the language of racists.
If you want to use the word "thug" then nobody is going to stop you, just be aware that, rightly or wrongly, you run the risk of being perceived as a racist if you use the language of racists.
The direction of which force is initiated, does not change the fact that initiation force (in this case, violence) is bad. A rich guy killing a poor guy, is just as bad as a poor guy killing a rich guy.
23 May 2015, 7:21 pm
denpajin wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
The word "cracker" means "slave driver" (one who cracks a whip). That's quite obviously different to "thug" - one is shooting up, the other is shooting down.
If you want to use the word "thug" then nobody is going to stop you, just be aware that, rightly or wrongly, you run the risk of being perceived as a racist if you use the language of racists.
If you want to use the word "thug" then nobody is going to stop you, just be aware that, rightly or wrongly, you run the risk of being perceived as a racist if you use the language of racists.
The direction of which force is initiated, does not change the fact that initiation force (in this case, violence) is bad. A rich guy killing a poor guy, is just as bad as a poor guy killing a rich guy.
Last time I checked, calling somebody a cracker or a thug didn't kill them in most circumstances.
23 May 2015, 7:48 pm
The_Walrus wrote:
denpajin wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
The word "cracker" means "slave driver" (one who cracks a whip). That's quite obviously different to "thug" - one is shooting up, the other is shooting down.
If you want to use the word "thug" then nobody is going to stop you, just be aware that, rightly or wrongly, you run the risk of being perceived as a racist if you use the language of racists.
If you want to use the word "thug" then nobody is going to stop you, just be aware that, rightly or wrongly, you run the risk of being perceived as a racist if you use the language of racists.
The direction of which force is initiated, does not change the fact that initiation force (in this case, violence) is bad. A rich guy killing a poor guy, is just as bad as a poor guy killing a rich guy.
Last time I checked, calling somebody a cracker or a thug didn't kill them in most circumstances.
No, but a black guy beating someone is just as bad as a white guy beating someone. Be it a thug, or a cracker, beating is equally bad.
23 May 2015, 8:59 pm
denpajin wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
denpajin wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
The word "cracker" means "slave driver" (one who cracks a whip). That's quite obviously different to "thug" - one is shooting up, the other is shooting down.
If you want to use the word "thug" then nobody is going to stop you, just be aware that, rightly or wrongly, you run the risk of being perceived as a racist if you use the language of racists.
If you want to use the word "thug" then nobody is going to stop you, just be aware that, rightly or wrongly, you run the risk of being perceived as a racist if you use the language of racists.
The direction of which force is initiated, does not change the fact that initiation force (in this case, violence) is bad. A rich guy killing a poor guy, is just as bad as a poor guy killing a rich guy.
Last time I checked, calling somebody a cracker or a thug didn't kill them in most circumstances.
No, but a black guy beating someone is just as bad as a white guy beating someone. Be it a thug, or a cracker, beating is equally bad.
That might be the sanest thing you've said...
24 May 2015, 11:21 am
I have seen people call white people the N word, does that mean it's not racist? Even I have been called it too and my response always has been "Huh, I'm not black." They must be colorblind or they don't even know what the word means. but does it still change the fact that it's racist or not?
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24 May 2015, 4:17 pm
League_Girl wrote:
I have seen people call white people the N word, does that mean it's not racist? Even I have been called it too and my response always has been "Huh, I'm not black." They must be colorblind or they don't even know what the word means. but does it still change the fact that it's racist or not?
If I'm called the N word, the implication is that I'm too low to even be white trash. It's more of an example of class bigotry.
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26 May 2015, 1:12 pm
League_Girl wrote:
I have seen people call white people the N word, does that mean it's not racist? Even I have been called it too and my response always has been "Huh, I'm not black." They must be colorblind or they don't even know what the word means. but does it still change the fact that it's racist or not?
depends on who said it and with what intent.the problem with such loaded terms is that merely using them is often a display of intent outright in most cases.
