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07 Aug 2023, 12:09 pm

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Both are personal.

I was giving you the distinction made in Marxism. I have no objection to lottery winnings (for anyone naive enough to buy a lottery ticket). I do object to capitalism.

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07 Aug 2023, 12:11 pm

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Nades wrote:

To take private property, shares and so on?

Yes. Have you never heard of expropriation? It's already a thing in liberal economies.

An example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Berlin_referendum

What exactly is the threshold for you, personally on when expropriation should begin?

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07 Aug 2023, 12:20 pm

Nades wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Nades wrote:

To take private property, shares and so on?

Yes. Have you never heard of expropriation? It's already a thing in liberal economies.

An example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Berlin_referendum

What exactly is the threshold for you, personally on when expropriation should begin?

I'm not certain. Do I need to be?

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07 Aug 2023, 12:56 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

Nades wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Nades wrote:

To take private property, shares and so on?

Yes. Have you never heard of expropriation? It's already a thing in liberal economies.

An example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Berlin_referendum

What exactly is the threshold for you, personally on when expropriation should begin?

I'm not certain. Do I need to be?

Well, it helps to know when. You cited an extreme example of companies hooving up properties by the thousand.

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07 Aug 2023, 1:10 pm

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You cited an extreme example of companies hooving up properties by the thousand.

Are you sure it's an extreme example, or are you just hoping people will take your word for it?

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07 Aug 2023, 1:20 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

Nades wrote:

You cited an extreme example of companies hooving up properties by the thousand.

Are you sure it's an extreme example, or are you just hoping people will take your word for it?

They're huge companies that own massive chunks of cities. I would consider them an extreme example yes.

Just how low should it go though?

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07 Aug 2023, 2:43 pm

Nades wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Nades wrote:

You cited an extreme example of companies hooving up properties by the thousand.

Are you sure it's an extreme example, or are you just hoping people will take your word for it?

They're huge companies that own massive chunks of cities. I would consider them an extreme example yes.

Just how low should it go though?

Is there a such thing as a tolerable level of theft?

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07 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

Nades wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Nades wrote:

You cited an extreme example of companies hooving up properties by the thousand.

Are you sure it's an extreme example, or are you just hoping people will take your word for it?

They're huge companies that own massive chunks of cities. I would consider them an extreme example yes.

Just how low should it go though?

Is there a such thing as a tolerable level of theft?

Taking your question out of context - apparently when prisons are full, thieves, even prolific thieves can get away with their theft or thefts.

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07 Aug 2023, 2:50 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

Nades wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Nades wrote:

You cited an extreme example of companies hooving up properties by the thousand.

Are you sure it's an extreme example, or are you just hoping people will take your word for it?

They're huge companies that own massive chunks of cities. I would consider them an extreme example yes.

Just how low should it go though?

Is there a such thing as a tolerable level of theft?

Yes within reason. You keep running around in circles and just ask me questions instead of providing any meaningfull answer to the prior ones.

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07 Aug 2023, 3:00 pm

Nades wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Nades wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Nades wrote:

You cited an extreme example of companies hooving up properties by the thousand.

Are you sure it's an extreme example, or are you just hoping people will take your word for it?

They're huge companies that own massive chunks of cities. I would consider them an extreme example yes.

Just how low should it go though?

Is there a such thing as a tolerable level of theft?

Yes within reason. You keep running around in circles and just ask me questions instead of providing any meaningfull answer to the prior ones.

It seems like you're hoping for a gotcha and I'd prefer to leave you frustrated.

But also, your questions give insight into your perspectives. Mirroring them and asking them back to you is far more productive, as far as I'm concerned.

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07 Aug 2023, 3:03 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:

Taking your question out of context - apparently when prisons are full, thieves, even prolific thieves can get away with their theft or thefts.

There's all sorts of thefts that are ignored, sometimes because they're legal, sometimes because the entity that committed them is a person but not a real person, sometimes because they're trivial and sometimes because of a lack of evidence.

But you're right that how we prioritize crimes can lead to some criminals receiving little to no punishment while others who inflicted far less social harm receive much greater punishment.

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07 Aug 2023, 4:23 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

Taking your question out of context - apparently when prisons are full, thieves, even prolific thieves can get away with their theft or thefts.

Yeah.

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09 Aug 2023, 9:22 am

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Fnord wrote:

The Different Forms of Communism:

• "True" Communists as proposed by Karl Marx cannot exist due to human nature (e.g., envy, gluttony, greed, lust, pride, sloth, and wrath).

• "Real" Communists are actually State Socialists currently living in Feudal Empires (e.g., China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, and Vietnam).

• "Faux" Communists (a.k.a., "Hypocrites", "Poseurs", and "Tankies") are those who preach Communism while enjoying all the benefits of living in Capitalist societies.

I would call the first group Idealistic Communists and the second Totalitarian Communists.

Tankies aren't communists; they're Putin sympathizers and thus fascists.

Marx predicted communism would overthrow capitalism from within so Faux Communists would seem to be Idealistic Communists.

Does that mean it will happen that way? Is something guaranteed to happen in the future because Marx predicted it?

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09 Aug 2023, 9:31 am

You may be a communist if you walk around with a Ushanka atop your head.

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10 Aug 2023, 7:21 am

funeralxempire wrote:

Sounds like you're avoiding giving any insight into your perspective to me. You mention that only houses not being used in any capacity should be taken by the state and then contradict yourself with houses being let taken by the state as long as they're owned by a large company.....what gives?

There's a black and white line for many but also plenty of grey areas for others.

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11 Aug 2023, 6:11 am

You May Be A Communist If You Believe . . .

. . . Personal responsibility is a fallacy.

. . . The government is to blame for all your personal problems.

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