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Sounds like jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Also, why should they leave their homeland when they can work to improve it? Just because you fled your homeland rather than working to improve it, doesn't mean that's what most people desire.
Wouldn't it be insinuating that communism perhaps never works out all that well considering every single communist nation that has ever been around seems to be, or have been hell holes? I'm sure they started out with nobel intentions with many of them but those intentions soon became lost........just look at the comments on this thread as to what some members want to do to people who own capital while simultaneously disliking authoritarianism.
Making ones bed and sleeping in it comes to mind. If property seizing and jailing people for owning capital is OK with many communists, then what hang ups do they have about moving to an authoritarian country with dodgy human rights? It's a legitimate question and not a cop out. You said they have their own problems but fail to elaborate.
You seem to think that because someone rejects one portion of what you consider basic rights that they can't possibly consider other rights very important.
It all seems like bad faith attempts at dunking on your straw-communists, rather than to actually understand anything. It appears like you'd rather condescendingly lecture about what you feel your opponents ought to believe rather than actually try to understand different perspectives.
There's no value to seriously engaging with someone who's not participating in the discussion in good faith, which is to say I have no intentions of elaborating my positions significantly. I'm treating you like a troll.
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Sounds like jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Also, why should they leave their homeland when they can work to improve it? Just because you fled your homeland rather than working to improve it, doesn't mean that's what most people desire.
Wouldn't it be insinuating that communism perhaps never works out all that well considering every single communist nation that has ever been around seems to be, or have been hell holes? I'm sure they started out with nobel intentions with many of them but those intentions soon became lost........just look at the comments on this thread as to what some members want to do to people who own capital while simultaneously disliking authoritarianism.
Making ones bed and sleeping in it comes to mind. If property seizing and jailing people for owning capital is OK with many communists, then what hang ups do they have about moving to an authoritarian country with dodgy human rights? It's a legitimate question and not a cop out. You said they have their own problems but fail to elaborate.
You seem to think that because someone rejects one portion of what you consider basic rights that they can't possibly consider other rights very important.
I object to people being jailed without bond for making a profit and also property seizing. These are not what I "consider" basic rights, they are basic rights.
As I mentioned many pages ago with a short list of what communists often are, human rights breachers are one of them. If communists as a whole are happy to moot out very heavy handed punishments just for the "crime" of profiting, then chances are they will be inclined to abuse people in other ways via beatings, shootings, family disappearances and the usual stuff that pans out in communist nations. These other problems you mention current communists countries have is actually just communists doing what they do best and have a long track record of doing.
I still don't understand why such places are not appealing as places of residence for westernised Communists.
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That is an illogical statement. The point of eliminating capitalism, and enforcing that elimination, is to protect the vulnerable.
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Muh rent-seeking.
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You may be a Communist if you believe...
... Anyone, even a complete stranger, who wins the lottery automatically owes you a "fair share" of the winnings.
... Anyone failing to share their lottery winnings with you is stealing from you.
... Anyone who succeeds in life has somehow cheated the system.
... Anyone who succeeds in life did so by oppressing and stealing from those who failed in life.
... Robbing from the rich and keeping it for yourself is a perfectly logical and moral thing to do.
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That is an illogical statement. The point of eliminating capitalism, and enforcing that elimination, is to protect the vulnerable.
You are still alluding to doing so with force and intimidation though. Many have a novel idea of who the "vulnerable" are too.
... Anyone, even a complete stranger, who wins the lottery automatically owes you a "fair share" of the winnings.
... Anyone failing to share their lottery winnings with you is stealing from you.
... Anyone who succeeds in life has somehow cheated the system.
... Anyone who succeeds in life did so by oppressing and stealing from those who failed in life.
... Robbing from the rich and keeping it for yourself is a perfectly logical and moral thing to do.
They also hate it when other people make "unearned income" but also want it themelves.
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That is your interpretation of what I am saying. I said nothing about force and intimidation. The closest I came to that was arresting capitalists. That is logical action in a communist society.
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... Anyone, even a complete stranger, who wins the lottery automatically owes you a "fair share" of the winnings.
Not true. You are confusing personal property (lottery winnings) with private property (capitalism).
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... Anyone, even a complete stranger, who wins the lottery automatically owes you a "fair share" of the winnings.
Not true. You are confusing personal property (lottery winnings) with private property (capitalism).
Both are personal.
That is your interpretation of what I am saying. I said nothing about force and intimidation. The closest I came to that was arresting capitalists. That is logical action in a communist society.
To arrest people for owning capital, you would often have to use force and intimidation.
It's incredibly idealistic to assume people will just hand over life savings in shares, property and businesses. It's not going to happen peacefully.
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It's incredibly idealistic to assume people will just hand over life savings in shares, property and businesses. It's not going to happen peacefully.
How is that different from now? Do you think liberal states don't feel entitled to use force (if need be) against tax cheats and other financial criminals?
The state also uses violence/threat of violence to protect private property.
All that really changes is how much of a cut of the wealth the state feels entitled to.
Landleeches when they're treated like everyday criminals:
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It's incredibly idealistic to assume people will just hand over life savings in shares, property and businesses. It's not going to happen peacefully.
How is that different from now? Do you think liberal states don't feel entitled to use force (if need be) against tax cheats and other financial criminals?
The state also uses violence/threat of violence to protect private property.
All that really changes is how much of a cut of the wealth the state feels entitled to.
Landleeches when they're treated like everyday criminals:
But those are criminals tip toeing their way around the law. What I'm on about is private property being taken completely when nothing illegal has been done.
That is very different.
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It's incredibly idealistic to assume people will just hand over life savings in shares, property and businesses. It's not going to happen peacefully.
How is that different from now? Do you think liberal states don't feel entitled to use force (if need be) against tax cheats and other financial criminals?
The state also uses violence/threat of violence to protect private property.
All that really changes is how much of a cut of the wealth the state feels entitled to.
Landleeches when they're treated like everyday criminals:
But those are criminals tip toeing their way around the law. What I'm on about is private property being taken completely when nothing illegal has been done.
That is very different.
You're aware that laws can be changed, right?
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It's incredibly idealistic to assume people will just hand over life savings in shares, property and businesses. It's not going to happen peacefully.
How is that different from now? Do you think liberal states don't feel entitled to use force (if need be) against tax cheats and other financial criminals?
The state also uses violence/threat of violence to protect private property.
All that really changes is how much of a cut of the wealth the state feels entitled to.
Landleeches when they're treated like everyday criminals:
But those are criminals tip toeing their way around the law. What I'm on about is private property being taken completely when nothing illegal has been done.
That is very different.
You're aware that laws can be changed, right?
To take private property, shares and so on?
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Yes. Have you never heard of expropriation? It's already a thing in liberal economies.
An example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Berlin_referendum
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