Medical transition should be free and mandatory

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27 Jan 2024, 6:08 am

Transphobia comes when these people are deliberately denied their purpose to medically transition and also being denied to change their legal gender that was assigned. Not just that, but transphobia is often present misgendering or deadnaming. However, cases of such common transphobia are primarily caused because the trans people haven't medically transitioned and haven't changed their legal gender. To do that does come with a price but under a socialist welfare state, this can be done without any financial askings and once the male soul liberates itself by medically transitioning and changing legal gender from female to male, then the liberation is complete and there is no more "woman" or "biological woman" but only a biological man with a soul that matches the body.

To hopefully eradicate transphobia and offer trans people an opportunity to become fully transitioned and no longer face discrimination, it would be a waste of time to wait and not be aware that trans people are people whose souls are looking to free themselves from the body that doesn't match with the soul and we cannot deny them the opportunity for a free medical transition and legal change of the gender.

The idea of the duality of a human being and any living being possessing a soul is often a religious theme but such existed in Ancient Greece, way long before Christianity, Islam, and even Judaism. The concept was first developed by Socrates (whose historical account is well-known thanks to Plato) and further developed by Plato. The philosophy of the duality of a human states that only the body is changeable but the soul is unchangeable. Trans people are an example of a clear will to change the body to adhere to the soul.

"No attempt should be made to cure the body without the soul" - Plato

What this quote means is that any living being possess a soul. For our human brain still remains unexplored, we can only stick to this belief that we have some form of immaterial essence within our brain that dictates on the way we should live and strive. However, humans are not just any other animal. They are the thinking animals! For the human mind also has the ability to think with reason and so, the reason why a woman wants to transition into a man is because she doesn't want to be misgendered for her biological appearance. The male soul is unchangeable and it can never be changed but a female body that the male soul possesses can be changed for the body is material and the soul isn't.

And so, to help a trans person is by offering them a chance to no longer be miserable. Full medical transition and change of legal gender and the gates of a new chapter in life open and will grant happiness to the soul which has finally found peace and harmony as it has completed a long and painful journey.

"As long as we possess the body, and our soul is contaminated by such an evil, we'll surely never adequately gain what we desire —and that, we say, is truth" - Plato

Not all trans people are lucky enough and sadly this is the case too. Transphobia can induce great pain that it can even touch the soul with negativity and ultimately corrupt it to the point where it loses all faith and trust in the humanity. If there is no solution to cure the soul of the depression or the soul is too damaged, then it must be euthanized as a final solution to helping the soul achieve peace and harmony in a better place where NO evil can do harm to it anymore. But to prevent such cases, we need to reduce transphobia and prevent depression from taking over by offering the damaged soul a chance to live once more. By early intervention, the crack will repair, and through medical transition and legal gender change, the soul will be liberated and will be happy again.

But then there are people who are gonna say that not all trans people want to transition. Then this question pops in. A trans person doesn't want to transition? Then what is the purpose of a woman who identifies as a man but doesn't want to transition? Simply, people aren't trans if they don't want to transition. There is more appropriate terminology to defining such anti-transition cases among self-proclaimed "trans" people. Tomboys are women who want to dress like men but don't want to medically transition into men. The opposite of a tomboy is a femboy, a man who likes being in female clothing but doesn't want to transition into a woman. Why aren't these people trans? It is because their souls aren't the same to what trans people have. A tomboy is mainly for the purpose of trying to integrate and relate more with the men but also attain a female body with female parts such as vagina, ovaries, big breasts, and such. A femboy's purpose is to integrate and relate more to the women but attain a full male body with male parts such as penis and testicles.

Tomboys and femboys don't really feel like they have souls that call in for the liberation. They just like dressing into the opposite gender but they will retain their actual bodies and they won't medically transition or change their legal gender. What that means is that a person who claims they're "trans" but doesn't medically transition, legally change gender, and simply wants to dress into the opposite gender only is not truly a "trans" person.

The moral lesson of the day is that it is better to help a trans person achieve liberation by allowing them to medically transition and legally change their gender and not be a transphobe who denies them the right to medically transition and legally change gender. Also, any self-proclaimed trans person who doesn't want to medically transition and legally change gender but only cross-dress can also inhibit transphobia by simply mocking actual transgender people. Think of a poor autistic person who has to deal with bullying because a bunch of jerks on the Internet self-diagnose themselves with autism and yet provide no factual information on autism. Those do it for views at the EXPENSE OF OTHERS!! TikTok only has 30% of valid information about autistic people while the rest is disinformation by influencers who want clout.

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[*] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/109987 ... d-our-soul
[*] https://www.azquotes.com/author/37843-Plato/tag/soul
[*] https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/bl ... inaccurate


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27 Jan 2024, 6:10 am

Mandatory seems a bit extreme. :?


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27 Jan 2024, 6:11 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Mandatory seems a bit extreme. :?


How? A trans person faces everyday discrimination mainly due to their body not matching the inner soul. Because of that, these people feel the need to put an end to it somehow and with the technology we have, we can offer medical transition without demanding large sums of money so that every trans person gets to see the light at the end of the tunnel.


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27 Jan 2024, 6:13 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Mandatory seems a bit extreme. :?


How? A trans person faces everyday discrimination mainly due to their body not matching the inner soul. Because of that, these people feel the need to put an end to it somehow and with the technology we have, we can offer medical transition without demanding large sums of money so that every trans person gets to see the light at the end of the tunnel.


Because ultimately decisions like whether or not to endure multiple surgeries should be up to the individual's discretion rather than the state imposing them.

Free is good.
Mandatory isn't.

It's the difference between making sure you have access to food and force-feeding you.


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27 Jan 2024, 6:18 am

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Because ultimately decisions like whether or not to endure multiple surgeries should be up to the individual's discretion rather than the state imposing them.

Free is good.
Mandatory isn't.

It's the difference between making sure you have access to food and force-feeding you.


Instead of having multiple surgeries in different time periods, maybe try a medical transition in a single day to finish the job as soon as possible. Besides that, we can also prescribe them free Hormone Replacement Therapy so that they are assured to become the gender that they've always wanted to be.

We have enough money in the world to feed all mankind (annual investment of $267 billion needed to achieve Zero Hunger by 2030, according to FAO), and so we have enough money in the world to help trans people transition and give them relief and freedom that they've desired for as to end transphobia at once!

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https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/


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27 Jan 2024, 6:21 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Because ultimately decisions like whether or not to endure multiple surgeries should be up to the individual's discretion rather than the state imposing them.

Free is good.
Mandatory isn't.

It's the difference between making sure you have access to food and force-feeding you.


Instead of having multiple surgeries in different time periods, maybe try a medical transition in a single day to finish the job as soon as possible. Besides that, we can also prescribe them free Hormone Replacement Therapy so that they are assured to become the gender that they've always wanted to be.

We have enough money in the world to feed all mankind (annual investment of $267 billion needed to achieve Zero Hunger by 2030, according to FAO), and so we have enough money in the world to help trans people transition and give them relief and freedom that they've desired for as to end transphobia at once!

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https://www.graygroupintl.com/blog/how-much-would-it-cost-to-end-world-hunger
https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/


Forced transitions won't address the problem of transphobia.


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27 Jan 2024, 6:22 am

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Forced transitions won't address the problem of transphobia.


Denying trans people their right to transition is also transphobia. Let that sink in. :|


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27 Jan 2024, 6:27 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Forced transitions won't address the problem of transphobia.


Denying trans people their right to transition is also transphobia. Let that sink in. :|


Where did I say anyone should be denied access to that sort of care?

All I said is that it shouldn't be forced on someone.

You seem to want to frame things as though the only options are to force people to endure something or to deny them it.

You can make something available for free without making it mandatory. This is the preferable option.


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27 Jan 2024, 6:28 am

Glad you found a reasonable explanation for being trans. I want to ask you how you think queer people should be treated.Like a quarter of men.


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27 Jan 2024, 6:32 am

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funeralxempire wrote:
Forced transitions won't address the problem of transphobia.


Denying trans people their right to transition is also transphobia. Let that sink in. :|


Where did I say anyone should be denied access to that sort of care?

All I said is that it shouldn't be forced on someone.

You seem to want to frame things as though the only options are to force people to endure something or to deny them it.

You can make something available for free without making it mandatory. This is the preferable option.


1. It was a reminder so that you know that there a trans people who want to transition.

2. I still disagree that mandatory transition is too extreme. Firstly, you would not want an underaged person to go through that so it is for the best that adults who are trans have the priority. Children can wait for their turn once they turn 18. Secondly, a trans person has gender dysphoria which is why they are trans since they are questioning the validity of their current body that doesn't match with their soul. Lastly, trans people are often misgendered due to their body appearance and it is necessary and understandable that such pain cannot last long so it is mandatory that trans people go through medical transition and hormone replacement therapy.


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27 Jan 2024, 6:34 am

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Glad you found a reasonable explanation for being trans. I want to ask you how you think queer people should be treated.Like a quarter of men.


Queer identity denotes that the person doesn't fit into the main LGBT type because their gender and sexuality are rather complicated to understand that not even an LGBT person can determine where they should belong. Because queer people neither prefer to be LGBT nor Straight.


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27 Jan 2024, 6:36 am

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2. I still disagree that mandatory transition is too extreme. Firstly, you would not want an underaged person to go through that so it is for the best that adults who are trans have the priority. Children can wait for their turn once they turn 18. Secondly, a trans person has gender dysphoria which is why they are trans since they are questioning the validity of their current body that doesn't match with their soul. Lastly, trans people are often misgendered due to their body appearance and it is necessary and understandable that such pain cannot last long so it is mandatory that trans people go through medical transition and hormone replacement therapy.


None of that amounts to a justification for forcing people to receive surgery.

There's no case where forcing someone to receive surgery is reasonable.


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27 Jan 2024, 6:45 am

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2. I still disagree that mandatory transition is too extreme. Firstly, you would not want an underaged person to go through that so it is for the best that adults who are trans have the priority. Children can wait for their turn once they turn 18. Secondly, a trans person has gender dysphoria which is why they are trans since they are questioning the validity of their current body that doesn't match with their soul. Lastly, trans people are often misgendered due to their body appearance and it is necessary and understandable that such pain cannot last long so it is mandatory that trans people go through medical transition and hormone replacement therapy.


None of that amounts to a justification for forcing people to receive surgery.

There's no case where forcing someone to receive surgery is reasonable.


There are nearly 50 million trans people around the world (about 0.6% of World Population), so it is not too late to help them get the treatment they need in order to improve their well-being and decrease suicide rates (in the US, more than 40% of trans adults have attempted suicide). We still have time!

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27 Jan 2024, 6:47 am

To Yugoslav1945: It has occurred to me to wonder if there might be a misunderstanding in this thread due to a language barrier.

What is your understanding of what the word "mandatory" means in this context?

The idea of transitions being "mandatory" just doesn't make sense.


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27 Jan 2024, 6:50 am

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To Yugoslav1945: It has occurred to me to wonder if there might be a misunderstanding in this thread due to a language barrier.

What is your understanding of what the word "mandatory" means in this context?

The idea of transitions being "mandatory" just doesn't make sense.


I believe that mandatory is something that should be required. I believe that in order to decrease suicide rates, especially in the US when it comes to trans people, we should offer them a light at the end of the tunnel of darkness. By giving free treatment for medical transition as well as surgeries without any fees to be paid, we can decrease suicide rates, decrease transphobia placed upon them because of their body, and overall improve their mental well-being.


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27 Jan 2024, 6:55 am

What about age? At what age do you think they can correctly express their sexual cognition? Warm Reminder: This is a trade-off between reducing the suicide rate and the misdiagnosis rate.


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