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14 Feb 2024, 4:05 am

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Because they would all be sent to the Gulag or made to otherwise 'disappear', and likely forever.

I think this would work very well for Bosnia given the crappy bureaucracy the country has to deal with, imposed by the West through the Dayton Agreement. By removing American and Russian interference in Bosnian and Yugoslav decision making, the country can go back to its own way of managing its population and giving them equality and happiness as they don't have to deal with the tyranny of the West and the East.

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14 Feb 2024, 4:08 am

So you're just advocating for "be satisfied with our authoritarian state or be removed from the society"?
That's very North Korean.
No, effing, thanks.

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14 Feb 2024, 4:09 am

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So you're just advocating for "be satisfied with our authoritarian state or be removed from the society"?
That's very North Korean.
No, effing, thanks.

There is too much nationalism and separatism. Democracy is rotting in Bosnia. We need to reshape it into a socialist state once more with a Neo-Titoist approach.

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14 Feb 2024, 4:10 am

And shoot at everyone who disagrees?

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14 Feb 2024, 4:13 am

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And shoot at everyone who disagrees?

There are too many nationalists in Bosnia. Milorad Dodik, Bakir Izetbegovic, Dragan Covic, Fadil Novalic, Zoran Tegeltija need to go into the crematory for their crimes against humanity that is money-laundering, spreading hate among Yugoslavs (Bosnians, Croatians, and Serbians).

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14 Feb 2024, 4:16 am

I'm not asking about corrupt politicians (though sending them to crematories is... nopenopenope. How can you advocate for nazi methods? There are regular courts for dealing with corruption and hate speech), I'm asking about regular people who want to live in a real democracy.

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14 Feb 2024, 4:18 am

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I'm not asking about corrupt politicians (though sending them to crematories is... nopenopenope. There are regular courts for that), I'm asking about regular people who want to live in a real democracy.

The working class needs a better suited democracy than a corrupt democracy in Bosnia. By establishing an authoritarian state with socialism, the transition from a fake democracy to a real democracy would be ensured once all elements of evil are gone. No more fascism, no more imperialism, no more separatism, no more chauvinism! There is hope to be the champion of socialism in Bosnia once more and unite these people against common evil that is America and Russia.

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14 Feb 2024, 4:21 am

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How can you advocate for nazi methods?

Death penalty ain't no Nazi method. We kill those higher-ups and then cremate so that they never get to enjoy their dead bodies ever again. Simple!

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14 Feb 2024, 4:23 am

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By establishing an authoritarian state with socialism, the transition from a fake democracy to a real democracy would be ensured once all elements of evil are gone.

How exactly do you want to remove "all elements of evil" and what if they resist to be gone?

Given that human nature has elements of evil within it, I'm afraid the moment when they are all gone never comes and your paradise society is never ready for "real democracy".

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14 Feb 2024, 4:27 am

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And who is to blame? Not communism in this one, but human nature is to blame! As you said, the human nature has elements of evil and therefore human nature is to blame for inefficiency to manage itself and avoid being evil.

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14 Feb 2024, 4:29 am

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So, to make your perfect state with real democracy, you would need to get rid of humans? :scratch:

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14 Feb 2024, 4:31 am

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So, to make your perfect state with real democracy, you would need to get rid of humans? :scratch:

Some have to go. And by some I mean the fascists, separatists, imperialists, racists, and chauvinists, who have all wronged Yugoslavia and made Bosnia a hellhole to live in. No wonder why many people flee Bosnia because the evil of the West and the East made Bosnia condemned to eternal stagnation and suffering, never to catch up with the neighbors and the rest of Europe all because of that stupid three-presidential system!

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14 Feb 2024, 4:36 am

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Oh yeah. That as well but that is what they learn from the liberal teachings.

Not wanting to be told what to do all the time is pretty much a fundamental human trait.

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14 Feb 2024, 4:38 am

The French Revolution and Bolsheviks had similar ideas - and in both cases, the effect was the revolution eating their own children, millions of people suffering not any less than they used to, a bloodbath, a chaos, corruption not gone.

It's been checked experimentally and, hell, never again. You won't make a prefect society by killing everyone not perfect.

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14 Feb 2024, 4:39 am

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Yugoslav1945 wrote:

Oh yeah. That as well but that is what they learn from the liberal teachings.

Not wanting to be told what to do all the time is pretty much a fundamental human trait.

Why yes. That is why I believe that with this fundamental learning, Yugoslavia should avoid appeasing the West and the East and instead should focus on being the lone wolf with a perfect charisma for manipulating both sides and investing worldwide in other nations randomly like it did with Energoinvest and such. By achieving independence from the West and the East, Yugoslavia will once again restore its Non-Aligned prestige it once had in the decades gone by.

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14 Feb 2024, 4:41 am

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But should you trust the liberals, conservatives, and democrats? After all, every ideology can go extreme at some point so do be aware of who you are siding with in your political spectrum for there will always be the bad apples and such degeneracy by the bad apples must be stopped. That is why I despise Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Juche because those degenerates make people on the West find valid excuses for anti-communist rhetoric and they can just about do the same and the cycle goes on and on.

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