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15 Feb 2024, 4:53 am

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dude, Croats won't forget Vukovar, Bosniaks won't forget Srebrenica and Serbs won't forget Jasenovac. aka that train has left the station long ago.


None of these were caused by the communists. Vukovar and Srebrenica were caused by the Chetniks under Milosevic and Jasenovac was caused by Ustashas under NDH led by Ante Pavelic.


yeah, but neither of the people will forget. if you follow the news, you might know what happened in Vukovar, a few months ago, when the group of serbian students were attacked by the locals just for having Serbian plates on their cars.

communists on the other hand exterminated number of Germans, Italians (to name a few) and everyone who disagreed was first sent to Križni put and Bleiburg, then to Goli otok. Remember the Croatian spring of 1967-1971? that's what happened if you dared to disagree.

the list of some repatriations:
Bleiburg repatriations
Expulsion of Germans
Istrian–Dalmatian exodus
Purges in Serbia
Bloody Christmas (Macedonia)

Massacres
Foibe Jazovka Gračani Tezno Huda jama Keva's pit cave Hrastnik Macelj Kočevski Rog Pečovnik Osijek Zagreb

Camps
Teharje Sterntal Valpovo Borovnica Josipovac Krndija Knićanin Velika Pisanica Gakovo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleiburg_repatriations



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15 Feb 2024, 5:07 am

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He's been pitching this MAROF idea in other threads.  It involves the State-issue of girlfriends and wives to losers who cannot get them on their own.

I agree that it is among the most stupid of Ideas I have ever encountered.


If someone is having difficulty with women, having political views wanting an authoritarian state that has mandatory pimping of the entire female population doesn't help with getting a girlfriend or indeed any sort of sex whatsoever.

I'm sure all women will run a mile from any men who supports MAROF



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15 Feb 2024, 5:42 am

What is MAROF? Google returns me a place in Croatia.


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15 Feb 2024, 6:03 am

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I believe in the idea that under a socialist society, there would be a safe haven for all lonely men and women called "MAROF" (Ministry of Marriages, Romantic Relationships, and Friendships). The MAROF would work in a way that it would offer protection and ensure healthy relationships among the working-class. With the major MAROF centers placed in big cities, the smaller ones, as well as suburban areas would have small offices called "consultaries" where they would offer advice regarding human relationships.


taken from this thread, and this post:

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Socialism and Relationships???

I believe in the idea that under a socialist society, there would be a safe haven for all lonely men and women called "MAROF" (Ministry of Marriages, Romantic Relationships, and Friendships). The MAROF would work in a way that it would offer protection and ensure healthy relationships among the working-class. With the major MAROF centers placed in big cities, the smaller ones, as well as suburban areas would have small offices called "consultaries" where they would offer advice regarding human relationships.

Consultaries work in a way that if a person were to request a friend or a partner, the consultary would contact the nearest MAROF building which would then perform a search for the most fitting individual who shares like-minded interests with the same person regardless of gender or sexuality. The said partner would be delivered free of charge and MAROF would give a month to determine the mental capability of the person to carry the friendship or relationship with their friend or partner.

MAROF does not tolerate sexual abuse or any form of violence in human relationships and therefore MAROF has its own network of security called "Forestalls". Forestalls are the vanguard of the human relationships and intervene whenever something goes terrible or horrible such as someone being raped or someone being beaten up. Forestalls are to be placed next to consultaries and forestalls can be found within major MAROF buildings. They're basically the police stations but for protecting the human relationships and ensuring that no one breaks the law and does something horrifying to their friend or partner.

When it comes to the youth, MAROF has a restrictive policy regarding romance in youth communities. The Youth Assistance offices and consultaries ensure that young individuals have an understanding in how the human relationships work and what to do and what NOT to do. Forestalls also have the right to intervene in youth human relationships if youth individuals are committing domestic violence or sexual abuse to their partners.

Why do we need this?
For a working man to achieve success, a love for his family, friends, and his wife is what he needs to maintain his mentality which in return will maintain a productive worker. This is essential to the Maslowian “Hierarchy of Needs”, the five-stage pyramid on what physical and psychological needs of a human being are required to achieve success and self-management. This humanist concept accurately portrays the recipe for success of one man. The five stages to achieve success and prosperity are Physiological, Safety, Love, Self-esteem, and Self-actualization.

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The National Retail Federation in 2019 stated that up to 20 billion USD was spent on Valentine’s Day with an average person spending as much as 162 USD on Valentine’s Day products. What this says is that we couldn’t care less for the capitalist greed that prevails among our lustful minds. However, it is worth mentioning that we should not move towards radical sexualization but focus on a moderate and normal romantic day without capitalist interference or overt sexualization.

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In general, love has become something that is paid for with a price in the market instead of kindness. A human is born into the world and the first thing they feel is the happiness from the birth mother who invests undying love for the child that has come into the existence of the world. The father comes in next and he also shows love in the way that he is willing to raise the child along with the mother. The father also shows love for his family that raised him and the family that he created with his wife.

The workers shall love one another, their neighbors, families, and partners no matter the cost.

The price of Love is Kindness!



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15 Feb 2024, 6:09 am

Ok, thanks :)

I have a proposition for OP: write a novel. Such detailed constructions of worlds and societes are priceless as settings for stories.


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15 Feb 2024, 7:52 am

Yeah I think this all began to bubble when he got rejected by someone who ended up being a FTM, which then waterfall’d into other issues.

Sorry you were upset about that but reestablishing Yugoslavia will not fix your love life.


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15 Feb 2024, 8:36 am

Bestiola wrote:
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I believe in the idea that under a socialist society, there would be a safe haven for all lonely men and women called "MAROF" (Ministry of Marriages, Romantic Relationships, and Friendships). The MAROF would work in a way that it would offer protection and ensure healthy relationships among the working-class. With the major MAROF centers placed in big cities, the smaller ones, as well as suburban areas would have small offices called "consultaries" where they would offer advice regarding human relationships.


taken from this thread, and this post:

viewtopic.php?t=418137
Yugoslav1945 wrote:
Socialism and Relationships???

I believe in the idea that under a socialist society, there would be a safe haven for all lonely men and women called "MAROF" (Ministry of Marriages, Romantic Relationships, and Friendships). The MAROF would work in a way that it would offer protection and ensure healthy relationships among the working-class. With the major MAROF centers placed in big cities, the smaller ones, as well as suburban areas would have small offices called "consultaries" where they would offer advice regarding human relationships.

Consultaries work in a way that if a person were to request a friend or a partner, the consultary would contact the nearest MAROF building which would then perform a search for the most fitting individual who shares like-minded interests with the same person regardless of gender or sexuality. The said partner would be delivered free of charge and MAROF would give a month to determine the mental capability of the person to carry the friendship or relationship with their friend or partner.

MAROF does not tolerate sexual abuse or any form of violence in human relationships and therefore MAROF has its own network of security called "Forestalls". Forestalls are the vanguard of the human relationships and intervene whenever something goes terrible or horrible such as someone being raped or someone being beaten up. Forestalls are to be placed next to consultaries and forestalls can be found within major MAROF buildings. They're basically the police stations but for protecting the human relationships and ensuring that no one breaks the law and does something horrifying to their friend or partner.

When it comes to the youth, MAROF has a restrictive policy regarding romance in youth communities. The Youth Assistance offices and consultaries ensure that young individuals have an understanding in how the human relationships work and what to do and what NOT to do. Forestalls also have the right to intervene in youth human relationships if youth individuals are committing domestic violence or sexual abuse to their partners.

Why do we need this?
For a working man to achieve success, a love for his family, friends, and his wife is what he needs to maintain his mentality which in return will maintain a productive worker. This is essential to the Maslowian “Hierarchy of Needs”, the five-stage pyramid on what physical and psychological needs of a human being are required to achieve success and self-management. This humanist concept accurately portrays the recipe for success of one man. The five stages to achieve success and prosperity are Physiological, Safety, Love, Self-esteem, and Self-actualization.

Image

The National Retail Federation in 2019 stated that up to 20 billion USD was spent on Valentine’s Day with an average person spending as much as 162 USD on Valentine’s Day products. What this says is that we couldn’t care less for the capitalist greed that prevails among our lustful minds. However, it is worth mentioning that we should not move towards radical sexualization but focus on a moderate and normal romantic day without capitalist interference or overt sexualization.

Image

In general, love has become something that is paid for with a price in the market instead of kindness. A human is born into the world and the first thing they feel is the happiness from the birth mother who invests undying love for the child that has come into the existence of the world. The father comes in next and he also shows love in the way that he is willing to raise the child along with the mother. The father also shows love for his family that raised him and the family that he created with his wife.

The workers shall love one another, their neighbors, families, and partners no matter the cost.

The price of Love is Kindness!


That was an interesting read during my coffee time. I did not expect to find it humorous and yet...


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15 Feb 2024, 9:41 am

We were talking in work about valentine's day. I spend absolutely nothing on it and neither do any of my work colleagues. In the grand scheme of things love is transactional but for most people it's a necessity in some way. I wouldn't blame a woman for not wanting kids with someone who clearly can't contribute financially.



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15 Feb 2024, 11:28 pm

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We were talking in work about valentine's day. I spend absolutely nothing on it and neither do any of my work colleagues. In the grand scheme of things love is transactional but for most people it's a necessity in some way. I wouldn't blame a woman for not wanting kids with someone who clearly can't contribute financially.


Why it is important for both a man and a woman to provide the basic needs for a relationship and family such as food, water, shelter, clothing, and education. It is only done by work and it must be rewarded accordingly. This means that we have to make sure that every family and person has a good quality place to stay at and not be on the streets.


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15 Feb 2024, 11:39 pm

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yeah, but neither of the people will forget. if you follow the news, you might know what happened in Vukovar, a few months ago, when the group of serbian students were attacked by the locals just for having Serbian plates on their cars.

communists on the other hand exterminated number of Germans, Italians (to name a few) and everyone who disagreed was first sent to Križni put and Bleiburg, then to Goli otok. Remember the Croatian spring of 1967-1971? that's what happened if you dared to disagree.

the list of some repatriations:
Bleiburg repatriations
Expulsion of Germans
Istrian–Dalmatian exodus
Purges in Serbia
Bloody Christmas (Macedonia)

Massacres
Foibe Jazovka Gračani Tezno Huda jama Keva's pit cave Hrastnik Macelj Kočevski Rog Pečovnik Osijek Zagreb

Camps
Teharje Sterntal Valpovo Borovnica Josipovac Krndija Knićanin Velika Pisanica Gakovo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleiburg_repatriations



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yeah, but neither of the people will forget. if you follow the news, you might know what happened in Vukovar, a few months ago, when the group of serbian students were attacked by the locals just for having Serbian plates on their cars.



Once again, that is a nationalism issue. Obviously Serbians and Croatians need to get together and the only way to punish these devious creatures for making others unsafe is by the might of the iron fist.

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communists on the other hand exterminated number of Germans, Italians (to name a few) and everyone who disagreed was first sent to Križni put and Bleiburg, then to Goli otok. Remember the Croatian spring of 1967-1971? that's what happened if you dared to disagree.

the list of some repatriations:
Bleiburg repatriations
Expulsion of Germans
Istrian–Dalmatian exodus
Purges in Serbia
Bloody Christmas (Macedonia)

Massacres
Foibe Jazovka Gračani Tezno Huda jama Keva's pit cave Hrastnik Macelj Kočevski Rog Pečovnik Osijek Zagreb

Camps
Teharje Sterntal Valpovo Borovnica Josipovac Krndija Knićanin Velika Pisanica Gakovo



Bleiburg - 30,000-40,000 killed
Purges in Serbia - up to 56,000 killed (per government of Serbia estimate)
Istrian-Dalmatian Exodus - up to 11,000 killed
Bloody Christmas in Macedonia - up to 1,200 killed

By this we can estimate that over 100,000 were killed by the actions of the Partisans but the death toll of those killed by the Nazis, fascists, Ustashas, and Chetniks is way greater than that of the Partisans in WW2. That is because Tito had a soft side for the prisoners of war unlike his enemies who simply killed everyone in their path. Cvetković estimated the death toll of civilians by the Ustasha regime of NDH to be over 500,000 (Cvetković 2011, pp. 169–170).

What the Partisans have done is not to be forgiven but to be remembered as a leftist error. However, what the fascists, nationalists, and the Nazis have done is far more worse than what the Partisans did.


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15 Feb 2024, 11:42 pm

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So basically, the NT's who are broadly speaking more capable and powerful than ND's will see they get less pay for more work........and you think one group won't begin to resent the other group?

You seem like an idealist with very little experience of actual working people.


Both NT's and ND's will get equal welfare regardless of job positions they hold. ND's can too become prominent but they require special treatment since they aren't socially good like the NT's which is why ND's need special treatment in order to balance the equilibrium between the NT and ND population in Yugoslavia.


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15 Feb 2024, 11:45 pm

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How is your "ministry" even economic when it appears more like an arranged marriage and free shag scheme? Brothels have been around for a long time, those are a better option for venting urges as they pop up.


Because it has the potential to yield some economic benefit by maintaining high level productivity of a happy working class. Both men and women work together and are content with their lives and the relationships they have. Eight hours of work per day and some quality time ensured by the security.


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15 Feb 2024, 11:46 pm

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He's been pitching this MAROF idea in other threads.  It involves the State-issue of girlfriends and wives to losers who cannot get them on their own.

I agree that it is among the most stupid of Ideas I have ever encountered.


Not really the stupidest. I was actually able to get an autistic girl (aged 18) from a site that had similarities to MAROF. She lives a long distance but we're in good terms as of now.


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15 Feb 2024, 11:47 pm

↑ Your ideas are impractical and thus have no merit.

Instead of trying to change the world to satisfy YOUR needs, try changing yourself to meet the needs of the world.

Or at least work on improving yourself enough so that you can attract a woman on your own merit.

:roll:




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↑ Your ideas are impractical and thus have no merit.

Instead of trying to change the would to satisfy YOUR needs, try changing yourself to meet the needs of the world.

Or at least work on improving yourself enough so that you can attract a woman on your own merit.

:roll:


Trust me. Now that I found an autistic girl. I have the chance to improve myself. I will retain my great Yugoslav authoritarian communist ideology but I will be a better person now that I have found an autistic girl to talk to. Now, I no longer have to worry about me being inferior when I can enjoy a conversation!


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15 Feb 2024, 11:55 pm

Autocracy has its horror while it can maintain stability.The quality of your life cannot influence the choice of the ruler.I think you have always put yourself in the position of a benevolent ruler without thinking about what MAROF will look like when he leaves you.


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