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RedDeathFlower13
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14 Apr 2024, 11:42 pm

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Why? Because they didn't love America enough to keep us on top until the end of time?


Because sometimes it feels like the rest of the world needs the US more than we need them. I think we should turn our backs on the world some days and let these as*holes fight their own problems so that we can concentrate on the problems in our own country. f**k the rest of the world!


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14 Apr 2024, 11:46 pm

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Which is ironic seeing how both Russia and China hate the US and would love to see us destroyed, which I believe is the whole reason why they would support Trump as president. They know he will make our country unstable. :skull:


It might be more accurate to say they hate our political system, the idea of Democracy, than that they hate "us," although they would certainly be happy to see us fail. The thing is, Trump and the far right don't want us to move forward as a Democracy. A speaker at CPAC literally said Democracy is dead.

Democracy is a threat to Putin and Xi. A fellow authoritarian would be less of one.


:lol: Sorry but that's just untrue. They hate us and want to see us destroy ourselves. Don't kid yourself.


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15 Apr 2024, 5:14 am

RedDeathFlower13 wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
RedDeathFlower13 wrote:
Which is ironic seeing how both Russia and China hate the US and would love to see us destroyed, which I believe is the whole reason why they would support Trump as president. They know he will make our country unstable. :skull:


It might be more accurate to say they hate our political system, the idea of Democracy, than that they hate "us," although they would certainly be happy to see us fail. The thing is, Trump and the far right don't want us to move forward as a Democracy. A speaker at CPAC literally said Democracy is dead.

Democracy is a threat to Putin and Xi. A fellow authoritarian would be less of one.


:lol: Sorry but that's just untrue. They hate us and want to see us destroy ourselves. Don't kid yourself.


They don't need to destroy us at all which is true. America sowed its own seed of destruction. Democrat or Republican, it will go down badly either way if they keep up the capitalism stuff. Also, Russia and China are just doing this so they can expand their imperialism. Three imperialist forces. Just as Orwell intended.


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15 Apr 2024, 6:42 am

It's the Capitalists vs. the Workers. No other arrangement. It's Us who actually do all the things needed to move Human society forward, and We are put under the boot of those who do nothing of any value, and in fact, who cause most of the world's problems, merely in the pursuit of profit for a relatively tiny sect.

Xi, while having some issues in his own right, is not "evil", as he is the head of state of the world's only large, progressive society. I would argue that the Chinese do NOT want the US to be destroyed, but for it to stand down, and become a socialist state.

Putin, on the other hand, is a capitalist in charge of the remnants of the world's longest running socialist state, and who understands fully, both that legacy of the USSR, and of the threat the West, mostly the US, still brings to their interests, which the US has done for more than a century now. He is akin to a tyrant, but like Xi, he also is not bent on the destruction of the West. Just wants the West to stop meddling in their affairs and such.

The trope that Trump is in cahoots with Putin is a false DNC narrative, disseminated in order to get the masses to vote for their candidates. The DNC is as capitalist as the RNC is, and will do little to fend off a full fascist assault on Us, the Workers, and both use each other to hide the fact that they, and the corporations and industries who fund them, and which all uphold the exploitative capitalist class, and its hegemony over Us... that they are the ones in control. Not the Workers. They are driving Humanity towards extinction. They must be stopped.

So stop listening to the capitalists. They lie and cheat and use force to maintain their power over Us. Join a union, and/or a leftist party. Get outside. Talk to your neighbors. I feel I am talking to a damn wall...


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15 Apr 2024, 9:39 am

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I feel I am talking to a damn wall...


You mean like the Berlin Wall? :D


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15 Apr 2024, 9:50 am

mrpieceofwork wrote:
It's the Capitalists vs. the Workers. No other arrangement. It's Us who actually do all the things needed to move Human society forward, and We are put under the boot of those who do nothing of any value, and in fact, who cause most of the world's problems, merely in the pursuit of profit for a relatively tiny sect.

Xi, while having some issues in his own right, is not "evil", as he is the head of state of the world's only large, progressive society. I would argue that the Chinese do NOT want the US to be destroyed, but for it to stand down, and become a socialist state.

Putin, on the other hand, is a capitalist in charge of the remnants of the world's longest running socialist state, and who understands fully, both that legacy of the USSR, and of the threat the West, mostly the US, still brings to their interests, which the US has done for more than a century now. He is akin to a tyrant, but like Xi, he also is not bent on the destruction of the West. Just wants the West to stop meddling in their affairs and such.

The trope that Trump is in cahoots with Putin is a false DNC narrative, disseminated in order to get the masses to vote for their candidates. The DNC is as capitalist as the RNC is, and will do little to fend off a full fascist assault on Us, the Workers, and both use each other to hide the fact that they, and the corporations and industries who fund them, and which all uphold the exploitative capitalist class, and its hegemony over Us... that they are the ones in control. Not the Workers. They are driving Humanity towards extinction. They must be stopped.

So stop listening to the capitalists. They lie and cheat and use force to maintain their power over Us. Join a union, and/or a leftist party. Get outside. Talk to your neighbors. I feel I am talking to a damn wall...


Unironically based! America, Russia, and China are bad because they're imperialists and capitalists!


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15 Apr 2024, 9:51 am

RedDeathFlower13 wrote:
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I feel I am talking to a damn wall...


You mean like the Berlin Wall? :D


Here is something funny about it. It was erected by the same imperial government that liberated Berlin only to establish its new order of imperialist governance over Eastern Europe with Yugoslavia resisting such imperialism.


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