Is Introversion really Asperger's?



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Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:01 pm

A very interesting thread that needs to be bumped

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Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:16 pm

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Introversion is not normal actually, only 25% of the population are.


The 25% number is a myth. It's a very entrenched myth, but myth nonetheless. It was a guess given by one of the creators of the MBTI, and was quoted in source after source after source until the origin was (nearly) lost. In fact, in current general population studies of personality type preference, it's found that introversion appears in 33%-50% of the general population in the US.

The key thing that differentiates an introvert from an extrovert is that an introvert recharges by having alone time, and an extrovert recharges by being with people. Ergo, an introvert will feel tired and drained if forced to spend too much time with people, and an extrovert will feel tired and drained if forced to spend too much time alone.

Obviously, psych disorders such as ASD could muddle the way we identify introvert vs extrovert, but I absolutely 100% feel that introvert is a real personality type and is NOT undiagnosed AS. (Though it is nice to think that we might have way more company than we think, it's just that. A nice thought, which doesn't have any meat behind it.)

(Introversion was a special interest of mine a couple years ago, for about 6 months. Can you tell?) :wink:



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Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:22 pm

Yes all people with intorversion have aspergers, its really obvious, the nervousness, the inability to think on their feet, dont let all these people pump out all these paragraphs trying to avoid the truth, the truth is obvious.



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Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:00 am

http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-pers ... y-type.asp

According to this, there are more introverts in USA (50.7%) than extroverts (49.3%).

however, the difference is so small that can be considered in the real of "statistical error".



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Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:13 am

I kind of started to wonder the same thing when I was obsessed with the MBTI and was reading about the differences between introverts and extraverts, and that introverts brains are actually wired differently.

I wouldn't call it AS. Most introverts do not have the social impairment that someone with autism does, but when we start getting into the issues like social anxiety disorder and the obsessive, perfectionistic nature that some introverts have, a degree of autism does seems like it could be a possibility.

The difference is that most introverts probably have more innate social skills than an Aspie does, and they may or may not have an obsessive, ritualistic nature. They won't struggle with the same issues. It is very interesting that their brains are actually wired differently, though,. It would make sense to me if they were ever considered to be on the tail end of the spectrum simply because of that, but since autism is till considered a disorder/disability and introversion is not I doubt that it will happen anytime soon. The introverted behavior could also be caused by another kind of brain wiring that is similar to autism but is not the same thing. It would be interesting to see the spectrum widened to include people with autistic like traits who are considered "normal" by psychological standards, but doing this would only make sense if autism and introversion were caused by the same kind of brain wiring.



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Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:28 am

Asking if an autistic person is Introverted or Extroverted is like asking a Blind person if they are long sighted or short sighted.



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Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:37 am

Leekduck wrote:
Asking if an autistic person is Introverted or Extroverted is like asking a Blind person if they are long sighted or short sighted.


I hear about many extravertrd Aspies here. It is rare IRL but it's possible. This shows you that for whatever reason their brains MAY BE wired to WANT to socialize with other people, but they are being hindered by their autism. It's very complex and kind of sad. I am reasonably satisfied being an innie most of the time but sometimes I really do get a desire to just TALK to people and hang out with them with n worries, no overanalyzation and I feel like I'm trapped, like I just can't do it.

Who knows if these extraverted Aspies are TRULY extraverts, or if it is just something in their minds that is making them want to "escape" their autism/introversion somehow. We don't know but IMO it is very complex and not as cut and dry as it seems.



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Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:31 am

MotownDangerPants wrote:
It is very interesting that their brains are actually wired differently, though,.


Well, probably ever human being has a brain "wired" differently from the other human beings, then is not much relevant that introverts had a brain wiring different from extrovert.

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It would make sense to me if they were ever considered to be on the tail end of the spectrum simply because of that, but since autism is till considered a disorder/disability and introversion is not I doubt that it will happen anytime soon.


In the beggining of 20th century (in the works of Kretschemer and Bleur), introversion (or "schizotymia", like they wrote) was considered as being in a kind of spectrum with schizophrenia (wihile extroversion was considered in a srectrum with maniac-depression).

But this talk of "Is Introversion really Asperger's?" is a bit surreal - after all, we are comparing a condition that affects probably 0,3% of population and a condition that "affects" probably 50% of the population; it will make more sense to discuss if "Is Asperger's realy Introversion?" (my opinion is "No", btw).



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Well, probably ever human being has a brain "wired" differently from the other human beings, then is not much relevant that introverts had a brain wiring different from extrovert.


Not really. With certain mental illnesses there are changes in chemicals in the brain, imbalances, etc. They're brains are still wired relatively the same way.

Introverts have been shown to have more flood flow to certain areas, differences in overall brain activity presented in neuroimagery, etc.

Of course most inrtoverts wouldn't have a brain structure or functioning that is VASTLY different from an extravert's but it's still interesting, they aren't the same.



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Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:39 am

I also note that many "classical" symptoms of AS seems very different ffrom the classical "symptoms" of introversion:

- First, the tendency of some Aspies (specially children) to approach strangers to talk with them about their special interests

- Related to that, the verbosity usually presented in AS ("classical" introverts talk by monossilabus and one-word phrases - like "Yes", "No"...)

- The concrete thinking and attention to detail in AS, in contrast with the preference of "classical" introverts by abstract reasoning and theorethical concepts.



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Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:43 am

TPE2 wrote:
But many "classical" symptoms of AS seems very different ffrom the classical "symptoms" of introversion:

- First, the tendency of some Aspies (specially children) to approach strangers to talk with them about their special interests

- Related to that, the verbosity usually presented in AS ("classical" introverts talk by monossilabus and one-word phrases - like "Yes", "No"...)

- The concrete thinking and attention to detail in AS, in contrast with the preference of "classical" introverts by abstract reasoning and theorethical concepts.


I agree with that part. That's basically what I said before, most introverts don't have the same social impairments that someone with AS would and most of the time they will not show the signs of impairment in other areas, pr strengths that are present in AS.

There is an interesting overlap but no means did I say it's the same thing lol.



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Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:04 am

MotownDangerPants wrote:

There is an interesting overlap but no means did I say it's the same thing lol.


My previous post (10:39) was a general reflection about the issue, it was not specifically in reply to your post, althoug the sequence of the post could have created these impression.



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Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:14 am

TPE2 wrote:
MotownDangerPants wrote:

There is an interesting overlap but no means did I say it's the same thing lol.


My previous post (10:39) was a general reflection about the issue, it was not specifically in reply to your post, althoug the sequence of the post could have created these impression.


lol it's ok.



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Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:56 am

Various versions topic

I have known introverted and extraverted people. I have noticed quiet and shy people who are social, but their personalities are muted.

I would say I am introverted, but not quiet and not shy at all. I just prefer to be by myself, and I resent intrusion into my separateness, and I can be quite vocal about asserting my right to be alone. :P


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Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:30 pm

Introversion does not mean that a person does not seek social interaction, or even that they're shy. It just means that social interaction tires the person out, and the person then requires time alone to recharge his or her energy. This is the opposite of extroverted people, who feel most energetic when they're surrounded by people, and don't enjoy time alone.

I'd say that most people with Asperger's are likely to be introverts, but the two are not in the same category at all.


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