Relating to Truly Mentally Ill People(Aspies vs. NTs)

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How is it playing the victim to ask that someone not insult me for trying to solve the problem they explicitly asked me to solve, and explain how I arrived at that solution? Or should I be taking you less literally?

Yeah. The problem is in part that the name of the condition refers to probably at least five or six unrelated things, which makes conversations about it confusing.

I feel insulted by your verbosity and your refusal to allow others to have their own opiinion.

I suppose I can relate to being called a 'fake' or an 'attention seeker', becuase I do not look unusual.

A good friend of mine has bi-polar symptoms, but I don't think that's it. It it more like he is cracking under pressure nobody believes him about it except for me.

And that's how we relate.

Are you insulted by my verbosity when I make long posts to threads that are not disagreements, also?

I'm actually just really bad at reducing my opinions and experiences to soundbites sometimes (other times I can give nothing but snippets of them and get frustrated). I swear it's nothing personal, nor is it an attempt to deliberately confuse you. I actually felt very bad about not being able to consistently condense my posts to summaries, which is why I thought maybe someone else would be capable where I had failed.

I made a long (and not-disagreeing) post on another thread about how I often identify with Ents. I think I can summarize that one: They are not inherently linguistic creatures, but they were given language. Since their experience of the world doesn't fit standard language, they modify standard language to be extremely detailed and descriptive. Each thing that would be a word to us, is a long story about the thing they are talking about. What they consider "hasty" is long-winded to anyone else.

Since I experience the world in a detailed manner, I also frequently write about it in a detailed manner. I find words inherently misleading compared to reality, but find that if I write about more detail I can be a bit less misleading, especially given that people often take my meaning wrong if I do not write in detail.

(But then if I do write in detail, some people misinterpret this as condescension or repetitiveness or other things I don't intend it to be. Apparently it can also be interpreted as deliberate forcefulness or intimidation, if I'm reading you right. I am sorry about that, I don't know if it feels better to know it was not my intent at all or not, but it wasn't.)

I also do not mind if other people have opinions, although maybe I'm coming on a bit too strong (I can do that sometimes when passionate about something), in which case I will try my best to back off on this and consider my opinion already posted by now. If you want posts condensed, I will do my best when able to. Just please be aware that it is not always possible, especially given that despite my verbosity, posting in words can wear out my capacity to read my own writing, let alone translate it. My attempts to ask for help with that were because I did not want to shut you out or impose on you by writing things you couldn't read (been on the other side of unreadability, did not want to do that to you), but it seems to have badly backfired, and I am, again, sorry for that.

My sister was diagnosed as Paranoid Schizophrenic when she was about twenty. She's a wonderful person, and I always appreciate her company. I've never met someone so giving.

I'm mentally disabled AND ill so I suppose I do relate better to myself! not other people though.

My first boyfriend had Paranoid Schizophrenia and Bipolar. He used to fondly tell me stories of his time in hospital in his manic state, jumping on the beds and singing Birthday Party & Nick Cave songs at the top of his voice.
My brothers girlfriend also has Schizophrenia.

dunno about empathy, but because i've had extreme despression for a good few years now, and because i've had a few psychotic/sociopathic moments, i tend to sometimes sympathise with serial killers/rapists as they've usually been abused alot by society/parents/etc...sure, the people who got killed lost their lives, but i'm guessing they had a happier time whilst they were alive than the killer did.

i know, it's really messed up...it's kind of an extreme "rooting for the underdog"

i'd rather get this stuff out of my head and have people tell me that it's completely wrong, so i can rethink the entire situation, than to have thoughts like that swimming around in my head.x

can i join this off topic?:D human is a hunter and very good at it today we build weapons to keep others off our teritory (same reason as animals)

The following quote is rousing a very general situation. At least I think people say that quite often.

Nobody needs to write a certain style, length, time, language for another if that other chooses not to read it.

So whoever wrote and will write long posts as an answer to you or to a topic you are reading, if you choose not to read it, you can demand but not actually expect anyone to better suit your likes about posts.

Even those who cannot read long posts, seeing how I have trouble with that too should not expect other to directly change for them.

Try, sometimes the try can only be expressed by interest. That's ok to my mind because sometimes I can't do more either. Then if you can show that you've tried and are interested and consider it worth your time, then you can rightfully demand a small change from others.

Okay. I am the first to admit the ones I knew with schizophrenia had families seemed to get along reasonably with them, (that I could tell nothing is ever perfect) and can get along with people they choose to get a long with. From my experience, the people I knew didn't want to get along with me, had their mind made up about me (that I was damaged I guess or an easy target) and just relentlessly bullied me, made up stories about me, got others in the neighborhood to ostracize me, treated me like total s**t and they just happened to have schizophrenia and many family members with schizophrenia. This is one schizophrenic family who went out of their way to make my life a living hell.
I am the first to admit they didn't treat their own family that way. They saw me as "weak" and went after me in such a sadistic way. But they had family that visited them quite often so I guess they, at least treated them with some sort of respect. So those of you who have family members with schizophrenia who are "nice" well YES they can be nice if they choose to be nice. My experience has been some of them lack the rationality though and if so inclined will relentlessly target someone they can get away with targetting.
Other people can be mean but not quite as mean and so relentless, obsessing on a neighbor's downfall in such a way. No one deserves that! Trying over and over again to rally neighbors to gang up on one person they think they can get away with ganging up on? And they did this over and over. Even when I stayed in the house most of the time ignoring EVERYONE who lives around here they still wouldn't let up. I have just had very negative experiences with schizophrenia. And that's not even counting this other family with schizophrenia who I only know about because of these neighbors and these people were even more disturbed than the neighbors. One believed I was a witch because I had a cat and murded the cat and left it in my backyard because they all believed I was a witch. The guy I am talking about who did that is the disturbed son of one extremely disturbed woman who murdered a family member and didn't do ONE day of jail for it. Judge ordered her straight to this mental hospital to be committed where she stayed for something like six months THEN RELEASED AFTER KILLING A CHILD BECAUSE OF HER DELUSIONS!.
Can you believe this? YES they can be extremely dangerous and remember these things when dealing with someone who has a history of schizophrenia. Seems some can get away with murder.
Since the woman had a history of schizophrenia and had been in and out of this hospital since childhood, the judge didn't think she should pay for the crime of killing her child. And remember, these judges can say the same thing if one of them murders you! That they were sick at the time and just need a short stay in a mental hospital where they quickly start talking sane as soon as they get in there so they can get out again THIS IS HOW A SCHIZOPHRENIC CAN GET AWAY WITH MURDERING SOMEONE AND NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR IT! I have seen it with my own eyes and YES it scares me!

This is insane!! !! Yes this really happened and this is the dark side of schizophrenia. They can be really, really sick!

And, yes, I know people without schizophrenia kill more people than those who have it but do they have access to the insanity excuse? Should you be allowed to murder someone and not have to answer for it even when everyone knows you are guilty? The evidence is right there it is so obvious you did it. Because you have a history of schizophrenia though, your behaviour is automatically excused? That's just crazy!

it's a very thin line, i'm not saying we shouldn't punish serial killers, but i'm saying that my attitude is at least slightly sympathetic towards them, i guess it's just an emotional response. punish them but don't hold them up as evil, they're just mentally disturbed probably due to childhood trauma...i think what i'm getting at is "evil" is just a perception.x

That is a generalisation serial killer just means they followed a pattern of killing that was not spree killing, genocide, or standard homicide. A serial killer could be a paranoid schizophrenic or other psychotic/episodic illness, however it is less likely because they killing would be fairly disordered so they are more likely to get caught early on.

I agree with you this word 'evil' doesn’t mean anything in that context. Most serial killers aren’t mad however. A personality isn't considered being mad, even if that personality is way out of the norm. It is a grey area though. There are some scientists that claim to notice defences in the frontal lobe in scans of killers with personality disorders. This is consistent with head trauma, but that doesn't mean they suffered head trauma, they could have been born that way.

One of the myths about serial killers is they kill non stop, when actually serial killers have gone years, even decades without killing.

As for punishment, I don’t think that what jaol should be about, it should be about protecting other people.

This is a total tangent but...

Yeah, and another problem is the prison system at least in the United States is totally messed up. I understand very much the part about keeping people who have done harm away from people they could hurt, and think that part is utterly and completely essential. But what we have is a system that doesn't work as far as keeping people from re-offending when they get out, in fact it often encourages people to re-offend in various ways from the whole culture of the place. I don't know what to do about that -- people need to be kept apart from people they could hurt, and that much is certain -- but the prison system is a broken solution in itself.

I know several people who have gone there for non-violent offenses and they have told me that even when it's not outwardly physically abusive or neglectful (which it often is in addition), psychologically it's utterly brutal and dehumanizing in a way that encourages people to deaden their minds in a way making them more likely to become hardened criminals in there. And many mental institutions, including ones people get sent to for crimes, are very similar in that regard. I wish I was imaginative enough to know what the better way is, but there has to be some better way of doing things so that these places didn't encourage people already likely to hurt people, to become the sort of person even more likely to go out and hurt people even more when they leave.

And yeah I utterly agree with someone else, that the insanity defense ought not to be used in such a way as to get someone who's just killed someone thrown back into society. I mean... that's not even what it's for. If someone's killing people, then regardless of their state of mind, someone has to make sure they're not given the opportunity to do it again. The same thing happens oddly enough when the victim of the crime is disabled in some way (and then people only realize the mistake in that, once the person seriously injures or kills someone who is not disabled, which is pretty sickening when you think about it). If someone is killing people or even threatening to kill people you have to find some way to keep them from doing it, or doing it more. Regardless of whether it's because they don't have a conscience, because they are really angry, because they have trouble distinguishing reality from imagination, or because they don't even understand what they did... all those things affect how to keep someone from killing other people, but they ought not to affect the part about keeping them away from people who might be victimized by them. Murder is too serious and irreversible to mess around with that way.