Anti-cure Cowardice?

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Hasn't anyone here read "Flowers for Algeron"?

Ooh, I'll have to request that from the Library then. It's a good book, I take it? I could sure use a good read.

Describe to me what you meant by that though, the Library can be notoriously slow...

Just a small correction - it's "Flowers for Algernon". I vaguely remember the book. Something to do with a special mouse or something? I think it was a science fiction story as well.

I'm confused - the first sentence indicates the comment was about all LFA's, and yet the rest spoke of just one. So my query remains unanswered.

But it's true - there are LFA's who "act above their diagnosis" (or try to) and end up making fools of themselves and never "get it" as to why others (Aspie and NT alike) laugh at them or whatever. If this person that had the article written about them was one of them, it may well be a fair cop. The last thing we want - in my opinion - is LFA's getting ahead of themselves as the bad apples within that part of the Spectrum tend to do. It does create a bad image and it doesn't help other LFA's get the assistance they need, as well as get the rest of us the respect we deserve. Of course having said that the bad apples in the other parts of the Spectrum can be just as bad.

Remember that the majority of society think of ASD's as Autism in generic terms as LFA or maybe HFA if they saw Rain Man. We have to get away from that, and show that ASD's are far wider than that and not as bad in general - you agree?

Elan_1.

In my humble opinion. You're nuts!

btdt

In "Flowers for Algeron" the book is written as a journal from the perspective of a retarted man undergoing a cure. He is cured then things happen.

I am not going to ruin it for you its one of the most moving stories I have ever read and it directlly applies to AS and this topic.

It won " Best Story" the year the original short was written. Then the author expanded it into a book, which won best book. It was made into a movie called" Charley" and the actor got an award.

I envy anone who has not read it for the joy of reading it the first time. Skip th emovie untill you read the book. Its amazing.Its a quick read, two days tops. And as I said answers the "what If " question presented here.

I'm all hurt and stuff.

Nobody answered my question about curing left-handedness, freckles and red hair.


Are you afraid of a cure???

I came here again, because you asked about the book elsewhere. I hope you aren't saying we are THAT much like charley. And I won't spoil the ending of the book, but that is yet another reason why some don't want to be cured.

Joeker. The book was basically about this SAME sort of thing but from the standpoint of making ret*d people smart. The mouse was special because he(algernon) was given the treatment, and became smart enough to figure out a maze super fast. He was used to convince charley to become the first HUMAN subject. To say much more would be giving away too much of the book. It DOES leave the question open though.

I disagree. I see lots of people doing things that I find to be cowardly, or sick, or screwed up, or whatever. Doesn't change the fact that I want to know where they're coming from. Doesn't mean I want to use them to get attention for myself. People shouldn't have to dance around their words if that's how they truly feel about something.

Could be wrong. I can't say what OP was thinking when writing this.

Just a thought though.

1. according to South Park Ginger Kids (red heads) don't have souls, so you can do whatever you want to with them without worry. ( Hey I bet you more people watch South Park than read the Bible. If you cant trust that who can't you trust? )

2. I read that being lefthanded in a righthanded world causes a staggering number of accidental deaths every year. So why bother?

3. Any body with frckles is usually a redhead, see #1.


on another note a buddy of mine entered school lefthanded but they put him in special classes to FORCE him to be right handed. How messed up is that?

1. Quoting something without citations is considered plagiarism you know.

If you choose to believe the science, which I do by the way, then you would know that they have already started to identify the genes that are linked to autism. Explain to me why we shouldn't be worried about something as drastic as eugenics when potential downs babies are aborted every day.

2. Just because we're the minority doesn't mean we're wrong. It's possible that the reason for the higher occurrence of autism diagnoses is because we as humans are moving towards a new and different kind of existence.

If you want to believe the Bible, doesn't it say that the "meek shall inherit the earth"?

Those on the spectrum are less likely to discriminate against those of a different color, religion or sex from them. This is bad because?

This is what Carol Gray and Tony Attwood say (two of the leading researchers in the field of Aspergers) in their article "The Discovery of 'Aspie' Criteria."

Once again, I ask you, those are bad things? So yes, I am against the idea of others trying to take such good away from me.

3. I have more courage than most, because I have seen more than most. Life isn't easy for anyone; I don't care who's talking; and just because it might be harder for certain groups, that increased pressure from others around them does not make that group "bad" or something to be changed. There are some places where it's not wonderful to be a Jew, or Hispanic, white, black, Muslim, female, male, rich, poor . . . I could go on. Just because the majority is in power, it does not necessarily make the minority wrong or deserve to be fixed just because they are "missing out" on the experiences of the majority.

4. Some people also drive drunk. I don't do either. So your point is?

It says in the old testament that in law the punishment should be as same as the crime: "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." I'm not partial to that one, but some people are. Personally, I prefer "treat others as though you would like to be treated"; which of course is a paraphrase of the Golden Truth. However, my problem with this one is that people seem strangely reluctant, or even oblivious to the way that I would like to be treated, even though they are the ones saying that I'm the one without empathy.

5. There are those that say that refusing to innoculate your children is a form of depraved indifference, but to the people who are doing it, they do it because it is for the safety of their children that they seek. This particular group identifies as being part of the neurological majority. Are you willing to cast out those in the majority as well as the minority? Is it possible to call them wrong as well? After all, they already have the extended abilities of the B tasks. Is it possible that they, even with those extended abilities, could be wrong as well?

Then what is so wonderful, I must ask, about having those particular abilities?

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Nu uh, I have freckles. Stop the discrimination.

lastcrazyhorn--well said.

KristaMeth, careful!! ! You may carry a recessive gene for red hair that gives you freckles... if they find you they may erase you!! ! THEY are always watching.....

Do you mean my signature quote? Someone already asked me where it was from in a PM. I told her the best I could. I don't remember EXACTLLY so I just leave it in quotes.

It's obviously not plagurism because I have it IN quotes.

I was referring to the Shawshank quote in the 1st point.

But yes, the quotes do help. It's just when you take something someone else has said and claim that those words are your original words, that is the point where it is considered plagiarism.

Thanks.

I wrote:
"At first they hate the walls. Then they get used to them. Then they depend on them."

It was not a quote, but a paraphrasing.

The actual quote: "these walls are funny. First you hate 'em, then you get used to 'em. Enough time passes, it gets so you depend on 'em.

In any case, obviously, the quotation and citation to the source isn't necessary because this paraphrase is not a main part of my original post, which I've revised at "Revison/rejection of "Anti-cure Cowardice"" http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt54994.html It was one sentence and a minuscule side-note among the other several main ideas.

Quotation and citation is necessary when the main ideas rely on the quote in a fundamental way, which is not the case in my original post. I did the paraphrase just a side-note.

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