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14 Jan 2012, 11:50 pm

I originally posted this on my blog, but someone suggested I post it here so here I go... *crosses fingers*

Okay, so I’m pretty laid back most of the time, and I’m rarely given a huge amount of responsibility to handle on my own. But sometimes daily tasks just pile up. This is my attempt to explain to several NTs in my life what it feels like to be a person with Asperger’s Disorder who has overdone themselves and then suffer a “crash and burn” type meltdown.

Sometimes, I just decide that I want to be a adult. I want to grow up and do responsible things like going to school everyday instead of just one day a week, and going shopping, cleaning the house, being super mature and not playing video games or surfing the internet 24/7. I don’t know why I do this. It always ends badly for me.

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Normally, I have a small capacity for responsibility. Let’s call this the “safe zone“. This is the area where I feel comfortable with myself. Things in this area include breathing and eating (basically existing), recreation (such as basic video games and reading, nothing too stressful), ect.. I’m not doing much save the very things that are necessary for survival. There is no social activity involves, and I tend to overlook things like brushing my teeth and keeping my room clean.

When I am in the “safe zone”, less than the amount of energy I get from sleeping a nine hour night is being used, which allows me to think clearly, be somewhat creative, and most importantly, to feel comfortable and not like I’m running a 600 mile marathon.

—-

The “Extension Zone” is when I step beyond those boundaries. It’s not necessarily a bad place, but it’s not entirely ideal. I’m getting out of the house to go shopping, going to school, getting homework done, and participating actively in a small amount of social conversation.

This is where most NTs tune out – at this point, I’m expending more energy then I’m taking in. You see, because I must use extra amounts of effort to figure people out, and to deal with problems that arise, this gets translated into energy. Small conversations, especially if they are deep and fast moving, can drain me completely and leave me listless. If I were to hover in this area for a long time, I would eventually feel extremely, extremely tired. But I usually don’t stay here very long.

—-

The next area is the “Danger Zone“. I’m going above and beyond the call of duty. I’m tired most of the time. I’m anxious and feeling some stress. I may have trouble controlling my emotions and this is the time where I’m most likely to snap at people who try to talk to me. In this area I can’t stand people touching me (even if they mean to comfort). Despite this I usually push myself further, determined not to have a meltdown. I start to stay up all night doing things because I feel that I’m not doing enough or that there isn’t enough time for sleep, like I’m in a race. This is a mistake.

—-

The unnamed spot on the table is the denial part. I can feel myself heading towards a meltdown but I stress myself and push myself even more because I don’t want to break down crying like a child. I’m usually dead exhausted at this point and may have a killer headache and nausea.

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The Meltdown starts shortly after that. Emotions come upon me like sudden storms and I don’t realize that they are there quick enough to stop them. I burst out crying in public. I feel catastrophic emotion over tiny things, such as someone saying that I’m being lazy. I’m tired all the time, I rarely leave my bed or the couch, I feel cold, and I can hardly handle comforting myself with my computer never mind talking to people. If someone touches me, they die. Good thing nobody wants to because I’ve pissed them off and they are staying away. The other people (the ones that know me and really matter) give me my space and don’t touch me because they know I don’t want it right then.

This is also the guilty and sad part – I feel guilty for not being able to be responsible and not be a burden on the people around me, and I feel sad for myself because I’m trying as hard as I can and it’s not working. Usually by now I’m sleeping during the day and staying up all night to avoid facing any people. My diet degrades into nothing but toasted bagels or individual sized frozen pizza. I can’t think – my brain is mired in a fog. I want to do nothing but sleep and eat and play video games to comfort myself.

—-

For the NTs here – that’s what it’s like to have a really long term meltdown without the dramatics of the actual moment where everything turns into a shit-hole. And also, this is how this meltdown works for me. Other Aspies probably have other things that they can handle at certain points.

The good thing is, the more time that you spend in each part of the table, the more comfortable that you get in it and the more that you can do. It may feel awful having a meltdown, but that’s from taking on too much. I have not exactly mastered the ability to stay in one stage for a long time, but it gets easier. It really does.


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15 Jan 2012, 12:20 am

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15 Jan 2012, 12:58 am

This is exactly what I experience. I did not realize how much of what I experience in my meltdowns is so common.



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15 Jan 2012, 1:30 am

I would reach crash and burn status in the second one. In the third and fourth I'd reach it quicker.
If it weren't for the ear plugs and sunglasses and very short trips into town I think I would have a meltdown even quicker.

Edit: I forgot the denial stage. I have avoided it for a very long time. I used to try and press on but I can't do that any more. I usually have a apathetic stage where I just don't care what happens and don't do anything to control it. It takes a lot of effort to fight it.


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15 Jan 2012, 1:44 am

ohhhh, I like this A LOT. I think I'll make a version of my own.



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15 Jan 2012, 6:43 am

Spot on. There's a lot of good in this as I can readily apply it to myself. The brain fog is so killer.. and the denial!



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15 Jan 2012, 9:21 am

This is what I experience too.



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15 Jan 2012, 12:36 pm

I only have outbursts because I get afraid that just calmly reacting to a situation that has disturbed me isn't expressing how I feel about the situation so much, and I can't do anything until the other person gets the point that I'm really overwhelmed by the situation. Sometimes I have reacted calmly to a situation but have felt really upset and angry inside, and other people had just carried on with their lives as though they're thinking ''oh she's cool with it'', and I hate false emotions - I like to show my true emotions, so an outburst involving screaming and crying and hitting myself will get the other person's attention and think ''OK, OK, you're overwhelmed, OK, OK, you're worried, I now can't do anything until you are reassured and have reached an agreement of how to deal with the situation, so let's have a cuddle and a sit down and have a big talk of how we are going to get through this.''

But unfortunately people don't react like that, they just yell and scream back at me and remind me what an awkward person I am.


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15 Jan 2012, 8:53 pm

I'm the exact opposite of you "Joe". I tend to hold it all in and it makes me even more upset when people go on with their lives like nothing happened (hense distrusting NTs because they can so easily forget big outbursts then they get on your case later because you still care about it *sigh*).


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15 Jan 2012, 9:15 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I only have outbursts because I get afraid that just calmly reacting to a situation that has disturbed me isn't expressing how I feel about the situation so much, and I can't do anything until the other person gets the point that I'm really overwhelmed by the situation. Sometimes I have reacted calmly to a situation but have felt really upset and angry inside, and other people had just carried on with their lives as though they're thinking ''oh she's cool with it'', and I hate false emotions - I like to show my true emotions, so an outburst involving screaming and crying and hitting myself will get the other person's attention and think ''OK, OK, you're overwhelmed, OK, OK, you're worried, I now can't do anything until you are reassured and have reached an agreement of how to deal with the situation, so let's have a cuddle and a sit down and have a big talk of how we are going to get through this.''

But unfortunately people don't react like that, they just yell and scream back at me and remind me what an awkward person I am.

I'm the same. I want people to know how I feel. However, I won't just have a meltdown to show people how I feel. Meltdowns are out of my control. But I will admit to having one after and explain the reason why. I still don't think people get it. My moods are blamed on stormy weather.


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16 Jan 2012, 12:29 pm

This thread deserves more replies.
Up up up to the top!


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16 Jan 2012, 2:13 pm

Guilted_Lady wrote:
I originally posted this on my blog, but someone suggested I post it here so here I go... *crosses fingers*

Okay, so I’m pretty laid back most of the time, and I’m rarely given a huge amount of responsibility to handle on my own. But sometimes daily tasks just pile up. This is my attempt to explain to several NTs in my life what it feels like to be a person with Asperger’s Disorder who has overdone themselves and then suffer a “crash and burn” type meltdown.

Sometimes, I just decide that I want to be a adult. I want to grow up and do responsible things like going to school everyday instead of just one day a week, and going shopping, cleaning the house, being super mature and not playing video games or surfing the internet 24/7. I don’t know why I do this. It always ends badly for me.

Image

Normally, I have a small capacity for responsibility. Let’s call this the “safe zone“. This is the area where I feel comfortable with myself. Things in this area include breathing and eating (basically existing), recreation (such as basic video games and reading, nothing too stressful), ect.. I’m not doing much save the very things that are necessary for survival. There is no social activity involves, and I tend to overlook things like brushing my teeth and keeping my room clean.

When I am in the “safe zone”, less than the amount of energy I get from sleeping a nine hour night is being used, which allows me to think clearly, be somewhat creative, and most importantly, to feel comfortable and not like I’m running a 600 mile marathon.

—-

The “Extension Zone” is when I step beyond those boundaries. It’s not necessarily a bad place, but it’s not entirely ideal. I’m getting out of the house to go shopping, going to school, getting homework done, and participating actively in a small amount of social conversation.

This is where most NTs tune out – at this point, I’m expending more energy then I’m taking in. You see, because I must use extra amounts of effort to figure people out, and to deal with problems that arise, this gets translated into energy. Small conversations, especially if they are deep and fast moving, can drain me completely and leave me listless. If I were to hover in this area for a long time, I would eventually feel extremely, extremely tired. But I usually don’t stay here very long.

—-

The next area is the “Danger Zone“. I’m going above and beyond the call of duty. I’m tired most of the time. I’m anxious and feeling some stress. I may have trouble controlling my emotions and this is the time where I’m most likely to snap at people who try to talk to me. In this area I can’t stand people touching me (even if they mean to comfort). Despite this I usually push myself further, determined not to have a meltdown. I start to stay up all night doing things because I feel that I’m not doing enough or that there isn’t enough time for sleep, like I’m in a race. This is a mistake.

—-

The unnamed spot on the table is the denial part. I can feel myself heading towards a meltdown but I stress myself and push myself even more because I don’t want to break down crying like a child. I’m usually dead exhausted at this point and may have a killer headache and nausea.

—-

The Meltdown starts shortly after that. Emotions come upon me like sudden storms and I don’t realize that they are there quick enough to stop them. I burst out crying in public. I feel catastrophic emotion over tiny things, such as someone saying that I’m being lazy. I’m tired all the time, I rarely leave my bed or the couch, I feel cold, and I can hardly handle comforting myself with my computer never mind talking to people. If someone touches me, they die. Good thing nobody wants to because I’ve pissed them off and they are staying away. The other people (the ones that know me and really matter) give me my space and don’t touch me because they know I don’t want it right then.

This is also the guilty and sad part – I feel guilty for not being able to be responsible and not be a burden on the people around me, and I feel sad for myself because I’m trying as hard as I can and it’s not working. Usually by now I’m sleeping during the day and staying up all night to avoid facing any people. My diet degrades into nothing but toasted bagels or individual sized frozen pizza. I can’t think – my brain is mired in a fog. I want to do nothing but sleep and eat and play video games to comfort myself.

—-

For the NTs here – that’s what it’s like to have a really long term meltdown without the dramatics of the actual moment where everything turns into a sh**-hole. And also, this is how this meltdown works for me. Other Aspies probably have other things that they can handle at certain points.

The good thing is, the more time that you spend in each part of the table, the more comfortable that you get in it and the more that you can do. It may feel awful having a meltdown, but that’s from taking on too much. I have not exactly mastered the ability to stay in one stage for a long time, but it gets easier. It really does.


That describes what I am like when I am exhausted, although my drs diagnosed it as anxiety and depression. However I don't really get the usual symptoms of depression such as self loathing. I just feel exhausted, especially when I have had to socialise too much.

That is another reason I hate therapy. Their answer to try and get me to socialise when I am 'depressed' but I am exhausted already and the socialising exhausts me more. The result is I don't get much of a break between meltdowns...its one after the other at those times :(

It wipes me out and causes me to break down eventually.

It's why I don't want therapy...no one seems to understand that socialising is the worst thing I can do when I am exhausted, it absolutely cripples me and their insistence that it will make me feel better is like bloody torture.



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16 Jan 2012, 3:00 pm

I used to get system crashes (total lock-ups, could not function socially for days) after extended social activity, but I found Baron-Cohen's insight that Aspergers function by rules (systemising) in social, which I think overloads us pretty quickly, causing the crash. So now in social I refuse to systemise, to analyse people, to store data or to analyse the conversation. Either I fly blind on the inherent NT functioning I think many of us have, buried beneath Asperger, or I just go quiet.

And after any heavy social I vent, just let all that's in my head go, metaphorically take the top of my head off and let all the social activity content etc just go up and away.



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16 Jan 2012, 9:00 pm

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13 Feb 2012, 1:17 am

I miss this topic :(



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13 Feb 2012, 1:55 am

pensieve wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
I only have outbursts because I get afraid that just calmly reacting to a situation that has disturbed me isn't expressing how I feel about the situation so much, and I can't do anything until the other person gets the point that I'm really overwhelmed by the situation. Sometimes I have reacted calmly to a situation but have felt really upset and angry inside, and other people had just carried on with their lives as though they're thinking ''oh she's cool with it'', and I hate false emotions - I like to show my true emotions, so an outburst involving screaming and crying and hitting myself will get the other person's attention and think ''OK, OK, you're overwhelmed, OK, OK, you're worried, I now can't do anything until you are reassured and have reached an agreement of how to deal with the situation, so let's have a cuddle and a sit down and have a big talk of how we are going to get through this.''

But unfortunately people don't react like that, they just yell and scream back at me and remind me what an awkward person I am.

I'm the same. I want people to know how I feel. However, I won't just have a meltdown to show people how I feel. Meltdowns are out of my control. But I will admit to having one after and explain the reason why. I still don't think people get it. My moods are blamed on stormy weather.


Nearly all of my full-on meltdowns have been directed at my boyfriend, and it's because I'm forced to 'sell' my emotions, because I'm typically so calm and never hold grudges, people think that what they did had no effect on me. When this happens over and over, I finally freak out, yell, yell things like 'you must be so f*cking stupid, etc etc. I get frustrated and turn mean really fast. Thankfully, it's rare.

My other meltdowns are directly related to food. If I'm too hungry, my mental state will deteriorate quickly, until performing basic tasks or simply trying to listen to someone talk is too much, and I snap. This used to happen a lot...but I've been taking some natural supplements that help suppress appetite, and I've noticed that I haven't had any meltdowns around food lately.


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