Should I see a pyschologist about my problem(aspergers)?

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27 Apr 2012, 10:32 am

Hi, I have a really bad problem in maths. I literally can't do maths and it's weird because I do alot of it everyday( LOTS OF STUDYING) and I always get low marks. I have aspergers, if it helps I don't know. I could describe my problem as an executive function deficit? Even so, will it be a good choice to turn too? Maths is really depressing me lately and I've been cheating on tests . _." I have a final soon and I was thinking of cheating on that one too or maybe failing? I don't know..

Anyway, pyschologist yes or no?

Btw, I'm also very left-brained. I'm good at things like debates, analysing and critical thinking. Should I? o -o



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27 Apr 2012, 10:47 am

Psychologist, maybe; but find one who's specialized in learning disabilities. There's a learning disability called "dyscalculia" which makes it very hard to learn math, and there are ways to help people with dyscalculia. Practically every school offers extra tutoring; many places will teach you to use calculators instead of doing it in your head, give you extra time to do math tests, or even replace more complex math courses with simpler, more practical ones if your major isn't math-related. There are also simpler math classes at the high-school and even elementary-school level, especially in community colleges, which you can take to catch up before you take the harder college-level stuff.

Are you in high school or college? If you're in college, try asking your school's disability services department about who you might go to for an evaluation for a possible math learning disability. If you're in high school, there should be counselors who can answer that particular question for you; or if you know any of the special ed people in your school, ask them who you should go to. You don't have to be in the special ed system yourself to talk to people about getting math help. They may suggest you try regular tutoring first; do you have friends/acquaintances who are good at math and teaching? If so, get them to show you, and you might be able to circumvent the system entirely, if you have only a mild problem.

It's good that you're choosing to address this problem. Math is important, at the very least the practical math that you will use daily; and if you can't do math very well, that's not something you should ignore. Either catch up (which takes hard work) or find other ways to do the same things (which takes creativity), or, more likely, do a combination of both.


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27 Apr 2012, 11:07 am

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Psychologist, maybe; but find one who's specialized in learning disabilities. There's a learning disability called "dyscalculia" which makes it very hard to learn math, and there are ways to help people with dyscalculia. Practically every school offers extra tutoring; many places will teach you to use calculators instead of doing it in your head, give you extra time to do math tests, or even replace more complex math courses with simpler, more practical ones if your major isn't math-related. There are also simpler math classes at the high-school and even elementary-school level, especially in community colleges, which you can take to catch up before you take the harder college-level stuff.

Are you in high school or college? If you're in college, try asking your school's disability services department about who you might go to for an evaluation for a possible math learning disability. If you're in high school, there should be counselors who can answer that particular question for you; or if you know any of the special ed people in your school, ask them who you should go to. You don't have to be in the special ed system yourself to talk to people about getting math help. They may suggest you try regular tutoring first; do you have friends/acquaintances who are good at math and teaching? If so, get them to show you, and you might be able to circumvent the system entirely, if you have only a mild problem.

It's good that you're choosing to address this problem. Math is important, at the very least the practical math that you will use daily; and if you can't do math very well, that's not something you should ignore. Either catch up (which takes hard work) or find other ways to do the same things (which takes creativity), or, more likely, do a combination of both.



My special Ed Teacher says I'm gifted.. But I think she is just saying that because I did well( cheated) on some maths tests. Problem solving confuses the hell out of me, I can't keep up with the steps and the information of the problem flies around in my mind. Learning the concept and logic I'm fine with; however I can't put it into practice. I was thinking maybe a psychologist could see my problem? I don't think I have dyscalculia because I'm pretty okay with addition, subtraction and I know my tables e.t.c It's probably some executive function deficit.

For example, I can't do this question:

Films at the cinema and fi lms on television are shown at different speeds

Cinema: 24 pictures per second
Television: 25 pictures per second

At the cinema a fi lm lasts 175 minutes.
How many minutes does the same film last on television?

In this problem, what confuses me is how can the number of pictures stay the same in each movie? Then I was told it was just shown at different rates; however couldn't that STILL affect the amount of pictures shown when in comparison to find the minutes of the film on television too? Also, this problem confuses me too:

One day, each driver entering a car park paid exactly 1 pound 50.

Car Park:
Pay exactly 1 pound 50 p to enter. Machine accepts only 1 pound and 50 p coins.

Here what was put into the machine that day:
Number of 1 pound coins: 136
Number of 50 p coins: 208

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I've been told countless times how to do it but the percentage outcome is uneven and the variables of money and drivers confuse me in my head.

This problem too:


Look at the equation below:
x + (x+1)+(x+2) = y

Use it to help you write the missing expressions in terms of Y.
(x+5) +(x+6) + (x+7)

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This one confuses me because I have no idea what to do with the equation( I just don't understand the question. They're just so not similar and different. I mean if I were to substitute or distribute these two equations it would come up differently; however I found out I just need to compare the difference between these two equations and see what has been added on? It's ridiculous and stupid, there is simply no system to that. Yeah, any idea what my problem is though? Psychologist, here I come . _."" Plus, how is that an expression if we can use it like a formula?



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27 Apr 2012, 11:12 am

If you have a diagnosis, then your school is required by law to provide accommodations. (well, it might depend what country you live in?)

Also I strongly believe there is no such thing as a bad student; it is the teacher's responsibility to make sure the student learns the material. It may be that your teacher is not explaining the concepts in the right way for you to understand. You may benefit from a private tutor who can present the material to you in a different way. :)



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27 Apr 2012, 11:14 am

It's quite possible to have problems with one aspect of math and not another, you know. Don't be ashamed to ask for help. You're taking control--you're not giving up.


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27 Apr 2012, 11:17 am

mushroo wrote:
If you have a diagnosis, then your school is required by law to provide accommodations. (well, it might depend what country you live in?)

Also I strongly believe there is no such thing as a bad student; it is the teacher's responsibility to make sure the student learns the material. It may be that your teacher is not explaining the concepts in the right way for you to understand. You may benefit from a private tutor who can present the material to you in a different way. :)



I understand things when expressed in algebra? For example, I solve ratios with algebra?xD Idk, can I put anything I do into algebra?



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27 Apr 2012, 11:19 am

mushroo wrote:
If you have a diagnosis, then your school is required by law to provide accommodations. (well, it might depend what country you live in?)

Also I strongly believe there is no such thing as a bad student; it is the teacher's responsibility to make sure the student learns the material. It may be that your teacher is not explaining the concepts in the right way for you to understand. You may benefit from a private tutor who can present the material to you in a different way. :)


I'll beg for help from my special Ed teacher then xD



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27 Apr 2012, 11:20 am

Hmm. I wonder, maybe do you have problems with the complex language in word problems, and it's just that math is the most complex sort of thing you've found so far?

What about very complex instructions for something that doesn't involve math--do you have trouble with that? If so, that's definitely something to mention to whoever you go to when you get help for it.


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27 Apr 2012, 11:31 am

[quote="Callista"]Hmm. I wonder, maybe do you have problems with the complex language in word problems, and it's just that math is the most complex sort of thing you've found so far?

What about very complex instructions for something that doesn't involve math--do you have trouble with that? If so, that's definitely something to mention to whoever you go to when you get help for it.[/quote/


Uhm, I also have problems with ;keeping up with directions verbally for example:
Go this way, take a left, eat a sock, do a back flip, across the street and take a right then you're there.

Complex instructions hurt my brain. I'm fine with maths with numbers, but maths with words I just can't do. It's not the complex language in word problems, I can't understand how to solve it because of so many other variables jumbling up in my head. I would do well in maths in my school if we had maths into sections; algebra, geometry, trig e.t.c. But, I'm from England and everything is jumbled up. Also, if they had theorems, proofs with just numbers and explanatory logic. Anyway, overrall:

Directions.
Steps verbally
Word Problems
Problem solving from information from words


http://www.emaths.co.uk/SAT%20PAPERS/KS ... 9/68P2.pdf

This is what we're doing. I swear this paper has more words in it than an English essay.


I'm also bad at rounding and significant figures? I look at all the numbers and see how they all correspond so I get confused..



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27 Apr 2012, 11:45 am

Callista wrote:
Hmm. I wonder, maybe do you have problems with the complex language in word problems, and it's just that math is the most complex sort of thing you've found so far?

What about very complex instructions for something that doesn't involve math--do you have trouble with that? If so, that's definitely something to mention to whoever you go to when you get help for it.




Uhm, I also have problems with ;keeping up with directions verbally for example:
Go this way, take a left, eat a sock, do a back flip, across the street and take a right then you're there.

Complex instructions hurt my brain. I'm fine with maths with numbers, but maths with words I just can't do. It's not the complex language in word problems, I can't understand how to solve it because of so many other variables jumbling up in my head. I would do well in maths in my school if we had maths into sections; algebra, geometry, trig e.t.c. But, I'm from England and everything is jumbled up. Also, if they had theorems, proofs with just numbers and explanatory logic. Anyway, overrall:

Directions.
Steps verbally
Word Problems
Problem solving from information from words


http://www.emaths.co.uk/SAT%20PAPERS/KS ... 9/68P2.pdf

This is what we're doing. I swear this paper has more words in it than an English essay.


I'm also bad at rounding and significant figures? I look at all the numbers and see how they all correspond so I get confused..

Explaining things logically in verbal language also confuses me too. Did I answer your question correctly... because i'm worried I went a bit off topic... > <""



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27 Apr 2012, 12:04 pm

Nope, that makes perfect sense. I'm starting to think that maybe your problem is with words and not math, if you can do numbers just fine. Complex instructions confuse me, too; I have to make myself a list of steps. Definitely explain that part of it to your special ed teacher when you talk about it.


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27 Apr 2012, 12:57 pm

Callista wrote:
Nope, that makes perfect sense. I'm starting to think that maybe your problem is with words and not math, if you can do numbers just fine. Complex instructions confuse me, too; I have to make myself a list of steps. Definitely explain that part of it to your special ed teacher when you talk about it.


She says I can JUST learn. Yeah because its not hard for me at all. Should I just cheat on my finals quite honestly I'm good at a subject but brought down by language so.. It's unfair. Plus, I'm getting no help at all, for example people translating the questions in my understanding per say. It's very frustrating.. Have you looked at my paper? Would you get a bit confused or not.. idk..



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27 Apr 2012, 2:00 pm

NateRiver wrote:
Films at the cinema and fi lms on television are shown at different speeds

Cinema: 24 pictures per second
Television: 25 pictures per second

At the cinema a fi lm lasts 175 minutes.
How many minutes does the same film last on television?

In this problem, what confuses me is how can the number of pictures stay the same in each movie? Then I was told it was just shown at different rates; however couldn't that STILL affect the amount of pictures shown when in comparison to find the minutes of the film on television too? Also, this problem confuses me too:


Whats with the gaps between film?

24 frames per second, is how many frames in 1 second. This is just nuts? What kind of stupid question is this.

They should both play for 175ms just one will have more frames in it than the other.

A game has a 60 frame per second. Unless you turn off v-sync, then you will have it going at 5450 frames per second with my GTX 295.

Humans only start seeing changes at 15 frames per second. It's how many frames are in a second.


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NateRiver wrote:
Films at the cinema and fi lms on television are shown at different speeds

Cinema: 24 pictures per second
Television: 25 pictures per second

At the cinema a fi lm lasts 175 minutes.
How many minutes does the same film last on television?

In this problem, what confuses me is how can the number of pictures stay the same in each movie? Then I was told it was just shown at different rates; however couldn't that STILL affect the amount of pictures shown when in comparison to find the minutes of the film on television too? Also, this problem confuses me too:


Whats with the gaps between film?

24 frames per second, is how many frames in 1 second. This is just nuts? What kind of stupid question is this.

They should both play for 175ms just one will have more frames in it than the other.

A game has a 60 frame per second. Unless you turn off v-sync, then you will have it going at 5450 frames per second with my GTX 295.
Humans only start seeing changes at 15 frames per second. It's how many frames are in a second.



THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING AT FIRST. But apparently they're "different."



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27 Apr 2012, 2:30 pm

NateRiver wrote:
Uhm, I also have problems with ;keeping up with directions verbally for example:

Go this way, take a left, eat a sock, do a back flip, across the street and take a right then you're there


Someone got a screw lose or something. They sound like they making fun of you. No one gives directions like that.

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Go this way, take a left, across the street and take a right then you're there.


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27 Apr 2012, 3:01 pm

TechnoDog wrote:
NateRiver wrote:
Uhm, I also have problems with ;keeping up with directions verbally for example:

Go this way, take a left, eat a sock, do a back flip, across the street and take a right then you're there


Someone got a screw lose or something. They sound like they making fun of you. No one gives directions like that.

Quote:
Go this way, take a left, across the street and take a right then you're there.



LOLOL Naah, I was just making fun of how people recite instructions to me and how they come across to me.