And mass murderer AB Breivik could be an Aspie...

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I was counting down the days until this came in the media......happens every f-in time there's a school shooting or massacre , immediately finger pointing "he/she must have AS , let's light the torches !"

Manifesto......what manifesto , 95% was like stolen from others.

Hitler at least wrote it himself *sarcasm*

What the media never picks up on is how many psychotic episodes are associated with SSRIs

The claim about Brevik having AS came from a swedish criminologist who have never met the guy himself. The guy seemed to have too little knowledge about the disorder (and it is deffinatly not his area of expertise), and I am confused on why he made this claim at all. The article also linked to other murderers who had AS, as if AS is a common "killer-disorder", don't we love the media?

The thing didnt really pick up in the media, it didnt really hype.. and thanks for that.

I've read his manifesto, and the thought that he might be an aspie never once crossed my mind. He just doesn't seem like one. That's not to say an aspie couldn't be a mass murderer though.

Prof. Ulrik Malt was a witness in court today, and suggested that Breivik has Aspergers and Tourettes (and also possibly together with Narsisitic Personality Disorder)

http://www.google.com/search?q=Ulrik+Malt+Breivik

However, he also specified that most Aspergers, infact 99.99..% are not bad people(or something to that respect).

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He played the same class I did in World of Warcraft, so he clearly has autism. I too read some of his manifesto, the guy may very well have some form of AS or schizophrenia. He was very obsessive about certain things and quite the eccentric person. Too bad he had to go gun down a ton of innocents, he had a good head on his shoulders and the potential to do equally good things, I didn't agree with his views but he at least questioned stuff around him and had a strong drive for politics.

I'm not sure about this. He's been 'diagnosed', questioned and 'rediagnosed' before. They're actively looking for a way to make him appear completely insane so they can lock him away safely in an asylum for the rest of his life. That's this case's main premise. What I'm especially interested in is how this theory came about. Breivik does not seem to be very intent on talking to psychiatrists, so these must have been mainly distant observations.

His methods were completely insane, though. How do you stop a foreign religion and ethnic group from taking over by murdering over seventy ethnic Norwegians?

There are two possible outcomes of the trial against Breivik:
1) He's declared legally insane by the court (based on the first expert assessment + testimony of other expert witnesses) due to psychosis and paranoid schizofrenia. He will then be sentenced to compulsory psychiatric treatment in a high-security hospital ward in a high-security prison, and may - if the treatment is successfull and he becomes well - be released, OR transferred to serve a normal prison sentence.
2) He's decleared legally competent, that is: Even though he may be "suffering" from diverse mental conditions (such as eg. Asperger syndrome, Tourettes or other conditions), he is NOT deemed to be insane. He will then be given the most severe sentence possible in Norway: A 21 year sentence PLUS preventive detention. Preventive detention means that as long as the correctional services regard him to be a danger to society (that it is likely that he will reoffend), he may be kept in prison indefinitely. That is, he may in effect spend the rest of his life in prison.
Most professionals within the field of psychiatry and law consideres option 2) to be the most likely and wanted result.
The psychiatrists (two teams consisting of two experts each) appointed to give a report has spoken to him at length, and the second team even had him under 24-7 observation to see how he interacted with and related to others. I would say that all in all they have a good basis upon which to form a judgment.
I think aspies should just not give a toss about whether he's eventually diagnosed with AS or not. It was not his AS that made him do what he did. And today's expert witness in court also clearly expressed this.

The stereotype of AS sociopaths without any moral values is creepy. The so - called specialists suspect AS in most cases of mass murder or other violent crime. It is lik they mistook it for psychopathy or something similar.

Actually, one of the four appointed psychiatrists said in an interview today that there has been another case where someone with Aspergers were declared legally insane. He did not mention which case, but if they come to the conclusion it is Asperger's, there is actually a chance of him being declared legally insane.

They(the 4) observed in 24/7 for 3 weeks, if I'm not mistaken.

That being said, this AS expert who suggest AS, has not interviewed Breivik.

Self-acceptance, yep I learned that, acceptance by the NT community: not seen much of it . Imagine: "you are diagnosed with which syndrome? Asperger, oh yes just like Anders Breivik" stigmatisation at the top! I thought the trial of Breivik related to his completely anti-social, anti-humane killing raid.

He could also have a slow-growing brain tumor for all we know. Doesn't mean he should be the newest face of cancer.

Really? Has there been a criminal case in which a person with AS has been declared legally insane solely because he has AS?? But AS in itself is not regarded to be a kind of insanity, so how can that be? I'm really surprised to hear this.

I checked out the pictures of all the 4 psychiatrists, and the guy who were interviewed who said this was not one of them, I guess he must have been a laywer or another psychiatrists then, my bad.

Dear planet members. From an ontological point of view (read prof Barry Smith research on bio-ontology), there is no ontologically correct definitions of aspie, NT or the syndrome or state related with it. As a person, and in my case as a physician, I think I act like other people with asperger syndrome, I can do tests, score or. DSM myself or one of my patients BUT the diagnosis is only fitting in a number of properties. There is no mathematical exclusion for having several syndromes, there is no duration or timeasπ related change built in our description of Aspie or NT. Personally I do not think I the need for that, I am happy to read behaviour I did not find to often in what I perceive as NT community. But as long there is not a definition of behavior that is unique for Aspies (plus all other properties necessary for correct defining ontologically), we could better put our energy in people suffering from aspie behavior without knowing anything about it bringing them closer to divorce, depression, suicide, etc. Because of underdevelopment of ontologic principles in medical practise, we are still no far away from babylonic discussions.
Cheers Sperry

He seems more like a jealous kid taking revenge on the happy people that he feels left out from, he dont succeed in business in the way he thinks he should and he makes the observation that many potential norwegian girlfriends are dating men thats obiously isnt nordic. I think the bomb in the gouverment area was to give him time and to make it look more political than it actually is - his so called Asperger is very shallow, the crap he put on the internet is a very cunfused and unprecise mix of fact and fiction and a mens-magazine level of understanding history as such- by mentioning events that actually happened it could seem like he knows a lot about the somewhat unusual subject but he dont. Nothing like an Aspie.

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