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08 Oct 2013, 7:33 am

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OK, I'm not sure I'm following you.

I don't think, for instance, that it is humanly possible to change, say, sexual orientation. I think someone for whatever reason may decide that acting contrary to orientation is more desirable than acting consistent with it. It could be religious reasons or something else...but we might incorrectly attribute the behavior to a change in orientation. If we assume that orientation is determined genetically, which as far as I know very well could happen, then there can be no change in orientation.

The apparent change in orientation doesn't necessarily have to have a connection with reverence to a deity or be the actions of a deity; however, it does raise the question of whether such a change is necessarily a natural one.

I dunno...would you say that people who believe in God and believe they have intimate experiences with God (or "Whatever") are necessarily genetically predisposed to such experiences? I don't believe that the lack of such a predisposition means it is impossible for someone to have a relationship with God any more than it's impossible for a homosexual to change his lifestyle, marry a woman, have children, and live a long, fulfilling life as a straight guy. However, if true it would go a long way towards explaining why relating to God is so much more difficult for some than others.

Look, i'm not have knowledge about ''intimate experiences with God'', but absolutelly that the scientists will be find one ''rational'' answer to this phenomenon, like, brain disfunction that cause delirium for example. I agree don't totally with you about genetics and change of behavior because i believe that we have ''internal genetic variability'' for many phenotypes, in other words, we have a genetic internal lottery can change accord to environment, but, some people are more internally variable than other. Don't there only homossexuals and heterossexuals or aspies and neurotypicals, all are spectrum, all are like as rainbow, many subtypes and the people are in the spectrum or continuum middle are more mutable than other. Soon, the bissexuals are more mutable than hetero and homos, the nerd are more mutable than aspie and neurotypical, my opinion and very speculative, because the nerd, eg, have genes to two groups, heterozygote advantage.

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08 Oct 2013, 7:40 am

b9 wrote:

there were only three words in my previous post that were the word "merrily". there should have been 4.

Now let's sing it one more time.

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08 Oct 2013, 7:43 am

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If anyone doesn't understand, anyone from any religion can believe anything science has to say, it is just part of the universe. It is usually mentioned in the front page of every religious textual anthology there ever was in the history of the earth, aka the creation story. To believe in the literal sense of the stories is up to us for the most part, but the concept of creation and everything in it is universal to just about every sentient being we know of. Religion is the handcuffs for science at all.

Religion has no say in science.

Science has no say in Religion.
BTW, I never said religion has a say in science, I said: "If anyone doesn't understand, anyone from any religion can believe anything science has to say, it is just part of the universe."

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08 Oct 2013, 7:50 am

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What I am saying to you is that he can't be governed by a book. He himself can't be governed by anything. It is his book that governs you, through its teachings, not snide mentioning of absurd fairy magic.

The Bible is a history book, and a book to live by. Everywhere it talks about God's nature, it never describes God having a solid rule to what he is. Most of the time it mentions him being all-powerful, indescribable, things that suggest he has both a free will, and the power to do anything a human can and can't imagine with the thought of his mind.
That is what the Judeo-Christian God is, and in this belief, we believe any other person telling us there are more than one God, Shintoism is the true religion, or that someone is an elf vampire and we should drink his koolaid, is wrong and doesn't believe in our (the) God.

Religions like Buddhism, Shintoism, Taoism, they promote collective thinking, all accepting for the most part. Yet to them, when a someone comes and starts telling the people they preside over for spiritual advice, that they are all wrong, and are going to hell unless they believe in God, they believe that person is not good for the health of their people. It is quite obvious as to why.

You can't believe in our (the) God, without believing what he told the world to do. That is monotheism. But as you said yourself, he can't be governed by a book. That doesn't mean he can be governed by any thing else we could comprehend either, as in rules, even the word God itself.

The bible is a book created by man. It has been edited many times, even way out of biblical time, to justify the society it was created in. If you look into the history of the bible then you will quickly see how fallible it is.

The bible has its uses, but is not the word of God. The word of god has no words.

The bible isn't necessarily a book to live by. We can see how it has been interpreted many times by religious groups to mean x and y.

God is a simple concept, and, for me, a simple reality. It stands by itself.

I believe in God, god, g o d. If you wish to qualify or disqualify me, based on your own understanding or intellectualising, so be it. That will not change my relationship, which is real and unshakeable and it's not a club that I need to qualify for. Rather, it's actually appreciating the simplicity of it, and being a part of that simplicity, on that level.

Then post like it! Stop posting like you want to disprove him.

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08 Oct 2013, 7:56 am

MCalavera wrote:

b9 wrote:

there were only three words in my previous post that were the word "merrily". there should have been 4.

MCalavera wrote:

Now let's sing it one more time.

it wound up three but it should have been four.
it was fine by me but the sentence wanted more...syllables in it.

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08 Oct 2013, 10:44 am

DentArthurDent.
i think that God should be all energies and interactions among different energies, like when you and i, hyphothetically, resolve drink a coffe and debate about it. We are exchange our energies. Life is like a higher frequency of this energies, remember, in many oriental religions there are names that they called this like Shakra, eg. When some living matter to dead, their energetic frequency decrease but not disappear because nothing disappear in the universe, i believe that universe is like a acumulum of all things since their beggining. We are living in a same old history that i called infinitum.

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08 Oct 2013, 10:45 am

How is that God?

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08 Oct 2013, 2:48 pm

Goddard wrote:

Wow! that is very insightful..i am on this same frequency...if you will..

Thanks for sharing your 'knowledge'..my friend...

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08 Oct 2013, 2:53 pm

MCalavera wrote:

How is that God?

God is not a word..
God is energy...
Light..
Love...
The words or vessels and vehicles....
That attempt to capture and describe this 'God'....
But only those that LIVE this 'god' energy walking....
AS THIS LIGHT!
Are
Those..
The only ones..
Who 'kNOW' GOD...
ONENOWFOREVERMORE...
SAYS THE RAVEN...
BUT THE PHOENIX...
LIVES LIGHT..LIFE..FOREVERMORENOW....
ONE

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08 Oct 2013, 4:03 pm

aghogday wrote:

Goddard wrote:

Wow! that is very insightful..i am on this same frequency...if you will..

Thanks for sharing your 'knowledge'..my friend...

Thanks to you by your kindness my friend!! ! I'm also in a same frequency to you. Is counterproductive ''kill' the biologically natural belief that architected the human mind. All cultures, most to the less advanced, create the belief in a God AND this is rational to think. Even to majority of atheist people, God exist, because all human behavior was modeled to accept that there many misteries in the universe, that can't be explained by mechanicist De Cartesian stylish arguments.
Well, i'm think this in exactly momment that write my answer, i do not acquire this knowledge, i'm produce them. My mind is strange and i do not control to this. I'm naturally creative, because get pieces of all related knowledge that have (scientifically prove and not scientifically prove) but i'm very dumb to many other things, terrible in math.

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08 Oct 2013, 5:14 pm

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MCalavera wrote:

How is that God?

All you're showing is that you're artistic/poetic in thinking, but you haven't really shown much evidence for an entity that is necessary to be labeled "God". Like I said before, you might as well replace "God" with "Lucifer" in your "arguments", and it would make no difference. Or Obama Barack or whatever.

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08 Oct 2013, 7:39 pm

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MCalavera wrote:

appletheclown wrote:

Religion has no say in science.

That statement would be far more accurate, meaningful and useful to humanity as "religion has no say in science"

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08 Oct 2013, 7:49 pm

Goddard wrote:

i think that God should be all energies and interactions among different energies, like when you and i, hyphothetically, resolve drink a coffe and debate about it. We are exchange our energies. Life is like a higher frequency of this energies, remember, in many oriental religions there are names that they called this like Shakra, eg. When some living matter to dead, their energetic frequency decrease but not disappear because nothing disappear in the universe, i believe that universe is like a acumulum of all things since their beggining. We are living in a same old history that i called infinitum.

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So God is really nothing supernatural, its interactions between atoms and molecules, so god is purely naturalistic, and can be discovered/defined and named by science. In fact many attributes of god have already been discovered/defined and named by science.

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08 Oct 2013, 11:35 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:

appletheclown wrote:

MCalavera wrote:

appletheclown wrote:

Religion has no say in science.

That statement would be far more accurate, meaningful and useful to humanity as "religion has no say in science"

Religion has say in science when exploring the ethics of certain scientific methods of discovery. Religion could guide someone to destroy archeological sites involving other religions, which we would all agree is unethical, or religion could prevent someone from experimenting on live humans, which would be an ethical response, and religion will play part in deciding things like whether we should clone humans to harvest organs. Wouldn't saying "religion has no say in science" be unscientific by nature? Given that for better or worse, religion does have a say in nscience?

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09 Oct 2013, 12:13 am

Oh please do not try and tell me that without religion we would have no ethic nor morals. That canard has been put to bed so many times it astounds me that people still try and raise it :roll:

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09 Oct 2013, 1:13 am

DentArthurDent wrote:

Oh please do not try and tell me that without religion we would have no ethic nor morals. That canard has been put to bed so many times it astounds me that people still try and raise it :roll:

I'm providing an example of how religion can affect science, not saying that without religion etc.... I could argue that your response is irrational, and it's interesting that you're advocating rationality by being irrational..... Honestly, I think a lot of people replace religion with science, I haven't figured it out totally, people get emotional about science the same way people are emotional about religion. For example, you've decided to use a Christian symbol to show your belief, or adherence, or interest in or to Linux. Maybe Linux is a greater symbol for science. You juxtapose two ideas, but you use a defacing of one idea to enhance the other. Why do this? Just having a symbol that represents Linux, and whatever else symbolic is fine.

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