Is it ok to believe in God......

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The word does not matter. Is important exactly what the God, ''Fod'', ''Fed'' etc... could be and i thing is completelly ilogical to say ''The All does not exist''. If the All does not exist so we also not.

Goddard I still fail to see how your understanding of god is anything but naturalistic. From what I gather from your posts it is not an entity separate from the natural world instead it would appear to be the natural world and the universe in its entirety.

Yes, my propose here is mix the naturalism with the some pieces of misticism (free to religious type beliefs). The people love separate things, the left against the right, the wrong against the right (i repeat the word, sorry,hihihi) the still uncomprehensible things against the comprehensible things.
If i unknow infere about hypotetical matter i could try to thing with we have and speculate. But, we need understand that are talking about extremely profound subject. Is not about imaginable things, because it we could make by first person. Universe(s) is a environment that we live, some thing create it, is very self-crazyness thought but is important infere without extremely certain about it.
Is smart to say many things but they could be desconected by objectivity.
My object here is, if all things have some finality (perfect organism like to say the oriental culture thinking, all is conected and are perfect because this) so, the universe have some finallity and all things, live or not. If the finality of humans (and probably other inteligent lives around the universes) is thinking and create, inclusive about it, extremely profound thinking, so there a proposite. Many religions centered these belief, the finality. God could be a organic system like our organism.
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I am autistic, but there is nothing in what you say here that anyone else other than you could understand. You attribute it to something so divine just because you know your mind better than everyone else.

Understand you are communicating with people who don't have access to your mind. If you want a proper conversation going, posting as if you're transcribing exactly what you're thinking without fine tunings and such is not going to be effective.

I don't think that you're going to get the proof in the way that you would want the proof.

You to seem to have this model which, by your terms of logic, makes sense. Now, if things are taken on a surface level and that alone (which you may insist that they are), then I would agree with it.

I argue that life is experienced through the 'subconscious', which pretty much illogical, and naturally difficult to 'prove' things. As some say, 90-95% of life is experienced through this zone; the logical part of the mind pretends that it's in control and it knows the whole show.

Athiesm, or a ego-god substitute, pretty much works well with that level, regardless if it is true or not.

If you want evidence of anything God-like, an external search isn't going to turn up much - looking inward would be required. It's like you insisting a question is answered in German, when the person you are talking to is French. And things get lost in translation.

Proving isn't knowing. And it can never be.

Surely you believe you are a collection of amino acids, DNA, and merely that, otherwise why would you place any value in being here at all? I'm just interested in how you see yourself.

Ah, I see where this all started, now.

Can you clarify exactly what you mean?

Sorry my friend but that is not at 'all' true.. there are many people who understand exactly what I say.. I am a member of an international poetry club and they have little to no problems as they understand metaphor better than the 'average joe' walking down the road...

This is simply an exercise of out of the box thinking...

Of course you are not going to get all of it..as poetry is designed to make people think differently not the same...

And yes if you are autistic this is scientifically understood as an issue of difficulty for many Autistic people to understand metaphorical ways of speaking...

My gift here now is a result of a neuroplastic adaptation to the loss of sight and the move away from visual thinking to no choice but verbal thinking..so my abilities have increased in this area...

I can still use perfect grammar and spelling as there is still is a record of me doing so on this site for millions of words in my long cold analytical posts...

But these words are not dead..they are alive in metaphorical effect and impact..whether your conscious mind is aware of it or not...

IN other words you do not have to analytically understand everything I am saying for it to impact your subconscious mind and the greater potentials that do exist in your mind and in your untapped strands of DNA..Epigenetically speaking...

I am an extremely logical person..and not a very emotional person at all in my ability for human language although I experience extreme levels of emotional contagion through my life...

I am still talking facts here in what I describe in parable like language..and really am still not talking about emotional stuff..when i speak in lyrical poetic free verse..if you will...

And seriously there are about 14K people that visit this site everyday..and maybe a few hundred that actually post...

Even if my words have no impact on you to bring you to greater levels of love and light..lesser personal judgement and hate against others..there is always that potential for the hundreds of silent readers in the background..the ones with the type of Asperger's syndrome that I and my sister share...

Before my eye problems I was a decoder of all symbols visual..and this would be the last place i would be spending my time..as the real world was always where IT was 'AT' for me...

Now that I have my sight back I don't spend nearly as much time writing...

In fact.. I have taken over 9000 photos now with my iphone with my new special interest of photography in the last 6 weeks since I see again...

There may come a day when I don't write at all anymore..like there was before I lost much of my sight...

AS far as God goes ..of course god exists..only a 'fool' would not 'see' this..if they spent anytime with nature alone...

Nature was close to my only friend when I was growing up and I live close to the most beautiful beach in the world...

There was never a question for me if God exists as I spent my entire summers walking with God alone @ONE on those beaches...

I don't know if many young people even have the opportunity to feel God in this way..as stimulation from the cultural byproducts of collective intelligence can numb the ability to even feel this power, force and general connectedness that is God...

I was raised as a Catholic and could not find God there..but I did find God on the Beach...

Now that I am an adult and middle aged..I have matured to the point where I can experience God in church too..and overlook the technical issues that I do not agree with..that is what I understand as true wisdom my friend..the ability to overlook and accept the differences of others...

I don't ever expect anyone to agree with me..that's not why I post here...

I post to provide people the opportunity to experience something they have not experienced before..as I am stranger than most people..and you will not often encounter someone like me in the 'real world' ..if you will...

So consider that a pain in the ass.. if you will..but that is what this site is all about..different ways of thinking and different ways of communicating...so if I am the strangest of all I guess that makes me king of the hill..haha..just a joke my friend..parables are cool..and that jesus dude the real one that lived if he truly did is one of the coolest dudes I know..once you know the Jeffersonian one...

I'm back at my Catholic Church singing and sharing love and light with the folks there that do not discriminate against people with differences like homosexuals and muslim folks..and loving every minute of it now..that i can get pass some of the technical difficulties i have with all of the beliefs expressed there..but if I could convince the bishop and the pope to add the following you tube song..to express what I fully understand as what approximates God..I would surely convince them of it..but since I obviously cannot do that..I will share it here now...

As this symphony of science and these science guys playing their roles in the video..are describing the same GOD I understand AS the GOD I live with on the beach...who communicates with me through emerald green waves..seagulls flying the patterns of the winds and the shores..and the sea oats moving in the waves of air as ALL is connecting with ALL as ONE...

So yeah.. 'God is a beach and then you live'...

Next time you go on vacation try the gulf coast..and the white beaches..and perhaps you'll find God if you don't already live God everyday..and just don't realize you already do..but of course are turned off by so many religions in the US that seriously have no idea of what God even IS as far as I can see..as God is never hate or personal judgement...

My cat knows more about God than these 'idiots' saying that homosexuals are demon possessed..and all muslims are out to kill all Americans...

My cat hugs the mother earth that is core of God every night in the grass..his bliss is free...humans are brainwashed to hate and live in hell and the only animal that truly experiences hell..humans create hell for themselves when the dreams could truly be God instead of nightmares of hate...and this thing called hell or even the devil if you want to call hate that...

So anyway here is the video..

I've learned not to hate..but I freely express all my emotions now..and yes many religions piss me off..but I refuse to hate as many religions are the true anti-christ in effect wherever hate and personal judgement is expressed...

As this HATE is opposite of theTRUE CHRIST...the love and light that is Truly what I understand as God...the same God that my cat experiences at night hugging the grass..that is truly home...

And yeah..Miley Cyrus expresses what I understand as God more than most religious folks do in her new video called 'We can't stop' so I'll link that too..as these two videos reflect what I understand as God more than most churches and the most popular protestant pastor that has his own radio show in my local area...who calls homosexuals demon possessed...or even one of my real friends who calls them diseased and has been poisoned by the restrictive Muslim religion too..yet loves all people altruistically no matter what the ignorance of her religion may teach...

It takes a lot of work to communicate the whole that is...

But at the end of the day..it is simple as a beach...at least for me...

Life is way more complicated that IT needs to be...

But for those who have been brain washed in extremes of collective intelligence ways..the path back out is truly like the camel passing through the eye of the needle...for these people who are brainwashed by culture they might as well be the rich dude in that parable in the bible..no matter even if they are economically poor..and yes that includes the brainwashing of many mainstream religions too..the antichrist religions that is..parading around with the garments of Christ..in metaphor if you will...

Jesus does not need clothes..as he is a natural dude..the real Jesus that is the Christ that is that we all have the potential to share..IT seems to me...

You continue to listen..so I will never give up on sharing light with you MCalavara...

And no I'm not a good communicator..yeah I've got autism2 you know..that reciprocal social communication disorder...

So if I'm lucky I'll get to the point I'm really trying to make one day soon...

If not now.

So here are the videos..enjoy if you will..I feel the same light and love when watching these scientists as I do when I go to church..if not more..the love and light that I understand to be the connectedness of all ALL that IS..that which some people call God.

Period...and Namaste..Google that one if you like..my friend..and thanks for the respect you show to me..even though you strongly disagree with me..and I do understand that you have a difficult time understanding me...

I am really trying hard in this post to help you understand..what I understand as this three letter word that has as many definitions..it seems as stars in the sky..as they are in effect ALL GOD in total impact and Effect..as we are ALL ONE in totality of the smallest unit of what makes existence for ALL...Science understands this and so does the real "CHRIST" THAT WE ALL CAN SHARE..IF WE LOSE THE HATE AND PERSONAL JUDGEMENT THAT SEPARATES SO MANY PEOPLE...yeah i am a challenge to accept as one of God's children..but never the less I am a child of God..a metaphor my friend not to be taking literally...please..only to share...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mjvfnUAfyo[/youtube]

As far as I know, this is all just rambling. It's like someone "speaking in tongues" but thinks he's speaking an actual comprehensible language when it's just gibberish.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ&list=PLEB3A80D1F124CBBD[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljRKhZ81aqY[/youtube]

This is why empirical data is so important, we all experience things differently. Just ask a crash investigator how reliable eyewitness accounts are.

I presume you have seen this but in case you have not.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kDQY_oHN1s[/youtube]


Regarding proof does not equal knowledge, I am not sure what you are getting at. If you mean that proof is not required for knowledge I think I can accept that but I will not accept knowledge based on such a premise as particularly reliable. And will (i think) without exception accept knowledge based upon evidence over accepted knowledge that is purely subjective in its premise.

How do I see myself, not sure, never really thought about it in that sense. I suppose I am a life form on a planet which has many other forms of life with a varying degree of similarity. I see a naturalistic cause for my existence and I believe that ALL the processes which work within our form will one day be understood. I see no need to ascribe any part of my Being to a non naturalistic force. What will be regarded as naturalistic will undoubtedly change over time. You only need to look at how the laws of physics seem to change in the absence of heat, not to mention the seemingly bizarre nature of quantum physics. These revelations only add to our understanding of the natural world and as I said in time we will have a COMPLETE understanding of it.

This is why I have the quote from Douglas Adams. I much prefer it when people say I do not know and then go looking for the answer, rather than ascribe a made up cause that seems to fit their belief.

Well..MClavera..even though you indicate you are autistic and 'IT stands to reason' you would have some difficulties with the metaphors I am using here in my last post..most of It is 5th or 6th grade common sense or that which most three year olds could comprehend in their own way and express IT...


So.. I can't help but to think that at this point you are being just a little disingenuous in your response here....

Obviously you are not going to do understand the cryptic comments I make unless you have the keys to unlock the riddles I provide...

But basic tenants on love and life..is not brain science..my friend...It's just what everyday common sense folks have been analyzing and concluding from the simple things in life..and expressing in the simplest words of all..Love and Light..yet analyzing the most complex human emotion of ALL...LOVE...and LIGHT..you see IT IS the most complex notion of ALL IF ones does not truly experience IT @ALL in LIFE...

So ALL i can say IS best wishes to you friend..

And seriously immature personal attacks are at the lowest level of debate..and do not impress me one way or the other...

If that is not the case here..I can only truly feel sorry for your limited ability to understand these basic tenants of life...

And pray... or if you want to call IT optimism and hope..that I may express..that I hope you will understand one day..only for you own benefit..as IT IS of no personal consequence to me other than a prayer of hope and faith for you...in 'simple' love and light...

This is a very interesting comment you make here as you express God with terms like Science but the basic elements of understanding in what I might call as God is basically same..

Except for one thing..

While many creationist like leaning Churches do express the 'idea' that all the mysteries of life will be explained one day..that is not too much different than suggesting the world is 6000 years old...

That is simply a deduction based on a limited view of life..

Yet humans are so limited in what 'may' be potentially perceived as the 'objective' reality of what IS in this Universe..and beyond..the leap of blind faith and hope you make here that Science will provide an ultimate tool to completely understand ALL things is faith not only in Science at the same level of 'blind' faith and hope in GOD that creationists have..Your Science is much Greater per blind faith than the potential of my limited place as a speck of dust in relative size and potential to have comprehensive of knowledge of THE ALL THAT IS..OR GOD OR WHATEVER THE F*** YOU WANT TO CALL IT..cause your blind faith in science is much stronger than my vision of God...

So you have a very interesting religion my friend.. And a GOD called Science...

It's all just Semantics..After all is said and done..you are a creationist in effect if you think man can understand IT all..

In other words you perceive life like a flea that thinks that one day IT will bark if IT drinks enough DOG BLOOD..for nourishment..and study...

Humans are just a parasite my friend..or a big virus in total effect on this planet..so far...

There is no doubt at all..about this..as viewed from middle distance in space moving into the atmosphere of earth...

If anything...humans are the most unintelligent species that ever existed...

As they are stupid enough to destroy their subsistence..as whole of species and many other species in ecological disharmony per advance of culture and collective...
intelligence in ultimate stupidity..or death...in killing their only means of subsistence as whole..what can be described as mother earth...

So in other words humans... the species.. already indicate clearly in the documented scientific record as IS..that they don't know s**t....

When IT comes to the only thing that counts..Ultimate survival of the species...and life in general...

And that is a scientific fact my friend..that the creationists and people who think that science can completely understand IT all completely miss...

Einstein had enough common sense to understand thIS IS BS...

And so does Stephen Hawkin..

Are you really smarter than those dudes...

Me not thinks so...

But carry on ..the opinion is amusing...

And oh by the way..that evidence you were looking for...

I know 9000 pictures and approaching 7 million words IS a little too much to ask someone to analyze to find the evidence...

So as promised I provided an iphone picture of me curling 210 Lbs..at 53 years old and even a picture of the weakest looking 13 year old kid you could probably imagine that was me too...

While humans may never understand everything...believing you can do anything...will take you places you might not imagine you can go...

'Who knows'.. perhaps if you could believe strongly enough without expectation or limitation...you might be able to save yOUR species..or 'tribe'..the ultimate accomplishment for any social animal in this life...

But anyway.. here is the link...

http://katiemiafrederick.com/2013/10/11/greitude/

Dream high and achieve great...

That's what's really kool..dude....JUSt DO It..like Nike says...

Talking about IT with no results..

Will not get

one...

Very far in life...

Like Temple Grandin advises...

Another reALLy wise.. older Autistic person...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPkyPdubqDs[/youtube]

Modern Christianity has very little resemblance to real christianity as taught by the Historical Jesus..

So yeah many christians are ignorant about GoD...

God is not a black and white thinker...

And man has no control over God...

In other Words...

God simply IS..

And yeah there are mysterious forces in this life that provide great healing power...

But we don't get to understand how ALL of this works..

Cause again...

All man is..is an insignificant flea sucking a little blood off of God...

Having dreams..

That one day..the flea will be greater than a flea..

so with that said..

Here is a little video about the real GOD...

DOG...

I AM DOG..

Hell yeah! dogs know more about GOD than man..

IN general..especially wolves...

As the wild ones..

Have not yet been brain washed..

IN domesticated ways...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HViabkXwYjw[/youtube]

I AM A Wolf..think about that one for a little while...

If one wills..

Well no s**t..myth is life my friend...

Science is even smart enough to understand this...

As we create our reality as illusion as life goes on simply based on our approximation in perception of the true reality that IS..based on our passed approximations in the perception of reality as we perceive It...as IS...

No Human ever sees the true reality and lives to talk about it..as the true reality is death..Literally speaking...

But...

Metaphorically speaking our experience as humans is ALL MYTH..

Th@IS ALL IT IS..

IS
Illusion..as ALL...
IS IT!

So...

Th@is a pretty Kool video...

But here IS the thing..

What do you think....

All these different cultures had the internet and transferred this information precisely like this to keep the myth going...

No that's not possible if you WiLL see..

As they did noT have the internet then...

So there is a much higher power at work...

That keeps all these archetypes of supraorganism mind the same...

So yeah..while the overall story of Horus and Jesus is the same myth...

In effect you just provided proof for the GOD that IS...

As there is no other explanation as to how this story could have stayed intact...

For this many thousands of years...

Without broadband..worldwide avenues of Information Technology...

Other than this thing I describe as IT

Or GOD or whatever...

So thanks for supporting my opinion...

Friend..

As this little video provides perhaps more proof of the gOD that IS IT..

Than any thing else replicated in this thread...

So in other words...IT's really Kool...

As IT IS
Just another stepping stone...

To enlightenment...

ON a much broader scale...

If one wills....

To 'view' the gOD th@IS...

None of you who say that Jesus and Horus overall story are same myths have read Egyptian mythology.