Is God superexistent?
As absurd as it sounds that existence can equal essence. It is just as absurd to say that the question," why is there something rather than nothing is a meaningless question." I do not see any other options except those two.
Aha, so now you retreat to the "some people believe that about God" argument. Does this mean that, therefore, God by definition must have such properties? Not unless you actually first logically prove this to be the case.
Hindus, Gnostics, etc believe that. Actually, I believe that is what Jesus taught!
There are all sorts of beliefs about this entity referred to as God. Many contradicting each other. So just as some (like you) believe God exists because he does, others may believe God had a reason to his existence and that he is God because of what he does that makes him worthy of such a title (not because he is necessarily eternal or is existence itself).
Besides, one can say that the ultimate universe itself exists because it exists. Who's to say this can't be true if you're not willing to treat the ultimate universe the same way you treat God?
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OK lets suppose that "God" is a predicate. What does it describe?
However, my point was that if we take the theologian's definition of God , that God is Being itself, and existence is not a predicate,* it follows that God is not a predicate.
* http://www.philosophyofreligion.info/th ... predicate/
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Great debate MCalavera! Thanks!
Unfortunately, I got to get back to work!
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However, my point was that if we take the theologian's definition of God , that God is Being itself, and existence is not a predicate,* it follows that God is not a predicate.
* http://www.philosophyofreligion.info/th ... predicate/
But why must we go by that point is what I'm trying to get at.
Nothing is transcendent. Everything that really exist is a manifestation of matter and energy operating in space-time including imaginary ravings about gods, devils, spirits, ghosts, angels, demons and such like
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Well..I suppose that then makes you god..huh? as you are only a speck of dust..as well as the entirely of the knowledge of the human race for what IS..IN potential totality....
Science is still extremely young in the grand scheme of things..
Unless you really believe you are God..the appropriate qualifier would be from what we know now..through the scientific method...
Only God knows if nothing is transcendent..and per logic as I understand it god is not Ruevyn and Reuveyn is not GoD..
Now the only question is..does
GOD exist..
But common sense..again..common sense..again..
The word God and all these other words like devil and all of that ..are just human metaphors derived through fairly new complex constructs of language..that results from scores of thousands of years..of human cooperation..to survive for the long run...
NO one here can even define god in adequate metaphors for what fully is ..is..
Yeah..science tries really hard..but science still cannot even fully figure out how human beings effect reality through their own propensities of energy...
IN the larger scheme of things..it is very simple...
WE know NOTHIN
G....
AND SO YAH..
MAYBE THERE IS SOMETHING.. SOME ENERGY..THAT COULD BE CALLED GOD..BUT THAT IS SIMPLY A SUBJECTIVE THINGY..FROM HOW WE OBSERVE OUR EXPERIENCES THOUGH OUR PERCEPTIONS..
AND YOU FREELY ADMIT YOU DON'T EXPERIENCE LIFE LIKE OTHERS...
So if this thing called GOD..is an energy that you cannot feel...
Perhaps GOD does not exist for you..
But does indeed exist for others...
So yah...
Maybe you were not born with that grace of thing..that religions call faith..
Not your fault friend..but that takes nothing of this metaphor called GOD away from any other...
That adequately describes their perceptions and experiences of life that may very well not include yours..that may very well not include this metaphor they describe as GOD..
IN that case I do feel sorry for you..
As yes I do experience this thing...I describe as GOD every second of every day...
And it is simply heaven and bliss..
Cause yah..I have been in hell too..
and yah..that abyss
2...
Not sure where you are at...that's your business friend...
but nah you have no idea what gOD could be cause you only see the universe through your eyes..not mine or anyone else...
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I agree whole-heartedly. While I don't believe in a god, I have no problem with those who do until they try to "prove" hhis existence as a way to convert me. Sometimes I truly miss the days when I actually had faith in a higher power. It is a sad thing to lose.
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I have no problem with people trying to convert me. As my signature says I love debate!
I believe in the adversarial system. The confrontation of two belief systems is the best way to ascertain the truth.
I have nothing in common with those that think it is improper to discuss religion and/or politics. Even worse than that, I want my opponent to passionately embrace his position. Similarly, I want an opponent in a chess game to fanatically try to win. Of course that does not mean that I want him to start throwing chess pieces at me! Similarly, I so not want my opponent in a political /religious debate to start throwing ad hominums at me. That makes everything silly and no longer a contest.
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I mean for all we know there could be some giant, big-foot of a creature, something so massive we cannot comprehend, and invariable Kraken, and this is what he created in his proverbial sand box or water shed. We just do not have all the answers at the moment so why not keep an open mind?
I agree whole-heartedly. While I don't believe in a god, I have no problem with those who do until they try to "prove" hhis existence as a way to convert me. Sometimes I truly miss the days when I actually had faith in a higher power. It is a sad thing to lose.
Pathetic. Faith is a disease of the mind.
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I agree whole-heartedly. While I don't believe in a god, I have no problem with those who do until they try to "prove" hhis existence as a way to convert me. Sometimes I truly miss the days when I actually had faith in a higher power. It is a sad thing to lose.
Pathetic. Faith is a disease of the mind.
You could stand to be more polite.
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I agree whole-heartedly. While I don't believe in a god, I have no problem with those who do until they try to "prove" hhis existence as a way to convert me. Sometimes I truly miss the days when I actually had faith in a higher power. It is a sad thing to lose.
Pathetic. Faith is a disease of the mind.
You could stand to be more polite.
You should be more proud of rejecting nonsense.
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I agree whole-heartedly. While I don't believe in a god, I have no problem with those who do until they try to "prove" hhis existence as a way to convert me. Sometimes I truly miss the days when I actually had faith in a higher power. It is a sad thing to lose.
Pathetic. Faith is a disease of the mind.
You could stand to be more polite.
You should be more proud of rejecting nonsense.
Respect my opinions, and I'll respect yours.
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