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25 Mar 2014, 5:38 am

If Heaven and hell existed, would you choose to go to Hell when you die, if you was promised a life of luxury whilst you are here?


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25 Mar 2014, 6:02 am

Nope, especially if the so called hell lasted an eternity. The cost is way too high.


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25 Mar 2014, 6:12 am

Depends on whose conception of hell it was like. If it was like Hades, it might be ok. Probably not if it was as Dante described.



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25 Mar 2014, 8:25 am

i'm 'fairly' sure it's the kinda stuff that Dante talked about..and i'm absolutely sure it exists on this earth now.. potentially in some folks lives..'write' now..

Nah..i wouldn't wish my best luxury on it..there IS no price for losing one's soul..that pays for that hell....

In my opinion..hell is a place where there is only time...

And heaven is a place where there is never time...

Ok folks..that's a metaphor..it just means ya live in the NOW..always in heaven...

And ya ALWAYS thinking can i make it to the next second...

in HUMAN HELL..A REAL PLACE..BEYOND INTIMIDATION..AND BEYOND..ANY FIRE IMAGINABLE...

And Human hell is also a place where all pain and emotional hurt disappears...

It is complete nothingness..feeling as a piece of paper..in metaphor2...pain is like heaven in hell....

but of course..again..as ALWAYS..
that's just my opinion......

BUT...been there done it....TRUST ME..NO MATTER WHAT..YA DO NOT WANNA GO....
TO THE REAL HUMAN HELL....

BUT THERE IS ONE FINAL TRUTH I KNOW...

WHEN A PERSON GOES TO HELL...

THEY UNDERSTAND what GOD IS...

Hell is simply complete separation from
GOD..

The only WAY to fully understand that ..IS
to go to HELL..

But then..IF ya get out...AND that's a REALLY BIG IF...

You will never lose faith in what ya finally KNOW..
First hand IS
GOD...NOW!

EVEN IF YA ..NEVER FULLY FIND GOD AGAIN...

But for the third time..
that's just my opinion...

(and..PLEASE..;)..PARDON MY FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION IN CREATING THIS..THIS WAY..if ya will..:)

AS i WILL IN MY OWN KNOWING EXISTENCE OF WHAT FULLY IS....with what IS.

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25 Mar 2014, 11:33 am

No,there could be humidity.I've put up with that here,don't want it in the afterlife.


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25 Mar 2014, 11:40 am

Going to hell for needless garbage?

Does not sound worthy.



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25 Mar 2014, 11:40 am

TallyMan wrote:
Nope, especially if the so called hell lasted an eternity. The cost is way too high.


Heaven is just as costly. Eternal -anything- is bad news.



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25 Mar 2014, 12:22 pm

The French philosopher Jean Paul Sartre summised that hell was actually an okay place, in moderation. Rather like a four star hotel. The catch was that you would have to spend it in close proximity to your friends, after which you'd be driven mad after an indescript period of time. Sort of like the plot of the movie 'The Shining' I suppose.


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25 Mar 2014, 12:24 pm

ruveyn wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
Nope, especially if the so called hell lasted an eternity. The cost is way too high.


Heaven is just as costly. Eternal -anything- is bad news.


Yep. Plus, Heaven isn't some big party where you get to have fun all the time. You have to spend all eternity worshiping at the feet of the literal God. Sounds like a raw deal.



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25 Mar 2014, 12:28 pm

TheGoggles wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
Nope, especially if the so called hell lasted an eternity. The cost is way too high.


Heaven is just as costly. Eternal -anything- is bad news.


Yep. Plus, Heaven isn't some big party where you get to have fun all the time. You have to spend all eternity worshiping at the feet of the literal God. Sounds like a raw deal.


Thats where the whole heaven thing is kind of a paradox for me. Invariably, I'd end up having to spend eternity with a lot of people who i despised during life. Hell is where all the cool people will be.

Personally I prefer the mormon version of the afterlife. There is no heaven or hell per sae, just varying degrees of paradise. No-one goes to mormon hell unless they are a prophet who chose to live in ignorance.


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25 Mar 2014, 12:33 pm

lets flip the thread question on its head.

Would you choose to spend the rest of your mortal life in abject misery if it meant guaranteed admission into heaven?


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25 Mar 2014, 12:43 pm

thomas81 wrote:
lets flip the thread question on its head.

Would you choose to spend the rest of your mortal life in abject misery if it meant guaranteed admission into heaven?

Unless there is some anti-suicide clause, yes.

If that is the only way of entering heaven, then again, yes. Finite misery is a tiny price to pay in exchange for infinite bliss.

If I was told "you can live in abject misery, follow these arbitrary amoral rules, or go to Hell", I'd choose the arbitrary rules.

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I think we're looking at Hell (and Heaven) too narrowly. Theologically speaking, they aren't places you go to spend infinity chatting with your friends and worshipping God (or being tortured). Rather, Heaven is an eternal moment of complete bliss, like a never-ending opiate high, whereas Hell is most commonly either that but with suffering, or the oblivion most non-religious atheists believe in.



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25 Mar 2014, 1:30 pm

I can't even decide.


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25 Mar 2014, 1:39 pm

Yup..HELL is definitely worth all the bliss i have NOW..but back then..nah..the odds of hitting the lottery..were what seemed as a gazillion to one..per any chance of arriving at where i am 'right' NOW..:)

And beyond my wildest expectations..of what bliss even could be...for the 5 decades preceding that..perhaps except for when i was child before i could speak..and am adulterated..with all the illusions of complex language..collective intelligence..and complex culture on the path to HELL...

Before the GREAT ESCAPE..in finding GOD and BLISS as ONE and SAME as SACRED LOVE..


BUT ALL THEM WORDS ARE MEANINGLESS IF YA CANNOT FEEL IT...AS IT IS NO EMPTY SHELL OF ILLUSION IN complex language..collective intelligence..or the culture..that is what that dude Jesus described as the camel...to pass through the eye of needle to NOWONEFOREVERFORONENOW..IN BLISS..

Yes..that's a very long constructed word..but it doesn't come close to the endless infinite NOW..that IS THE REAL BLISS..OF THAT YOGI DUDE JESUS..where words WILL never fully equate to what the REAL HUMAN EXPERIENCE OF THE BLISS OF HEAVEN NOW really IS...

But if ya met me in person..ya would know immediately..it's something ya likely never witnessed before....

probably...statistically speaking..or whatever complex ..abstract symbols ya wanna attempt to describe IT with....

partially...as one will never know unless they actually experience the REAL HUMAN BLISS THAT IS POSSIBLE FOR THOSE..WITH TOTALLY OPEN MINDS..HEARTS..SOULS..SPIRITS..BODY..AND THE BEYOND STUFF..WITH NO PREDICTABLE FORM...

BUT MOST DEFINITELY NO EASY ROAD..WITH LOTS OF DETOURS TO THAT REAL HUMAN HELL..TOO....

I WATCH PEOPLE TRAVEL THOSE DETOURS DAILY..AND ALL I CAN DO IS PRAY..IN A NONVERBAL WAY...

THEY NEVER EVER..REACH THAT REAL HUMAN HELL..possible to come out of..but again..that too..like the eye of the needle....with the camel of human frailty most often too weak to pass..at least in this lifetime...as far as i see..NOW...


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25 Mar 2014, 1:45 pm

That all depends, my idea of what hell would be like, is all your regrets, all your anger, and all over negative miss begotten emotions and thoughts you live through over and over again until you start to learn from them and understand them.. you cant run from your self. Know they self.

And heaven, if hell be that before case, is either after you shed that negativity and you rise above it. or its a world of naive bliss.

In the first instance it would be part of the wheel, where you have to go through some sort of hell to get to heaven,.
In the second instance, I had rather burn away my ignorance and then rise above it, then live in naive bliss forever..

But then again, if I had a mate to share heaven with, then heaven wouldn't look so bad to me as a place to be.


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25 Mar 2014, 1:46 pm

A life of luxury itself is a life in hell, IMO.