Why Pope John Paul II did not get a Nobel Peace?

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Still irrelevant; compared to Latin-America, the Vatican has very little influence in Africa.



Guess who sponsored the research of this--and freely distributes it in a lot of African countries.



If this thread is exclusively about John Paul II, then you shouldn't mention HIV. A significant number was already infected by the early 1950's, and by 1966, it had already gotten out of hand in many Sub-Saharan countries and spread to Haiti. John Paul II was elected pope in 1978.



It doesn't matter if it's heterosexual or homosexual. Anal sex, regardless of gender, is 18 times more likely to pass on HIV than vaginal penetration. Your link about the Phillipines even mentioned something similar.

http://www.aidsmap.com/HIV-transmission ... e/1446187/



The either did sabotage it or they did not sabotage it. According to your link, they did not.



Still irrelevant. HIV had gotten out of hand more than a decade after John Paul II became pope. The reason why we never heard anything of it in Europe until 1981, was that a series of Americans exposed to the virus in the late 1960s and early 1970s eventually died from it.



That's post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning.

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I rest my case regarding infrastructure. The country with the lowest contraceptive use is Chad, with roughly 20% of the country's members being catholics.

Being an accomplice to the evasion of arrest for exploitation of a minor is a crime, and there's pretty much no way any of the two previous Popes didn't have some hand in making sure the allegations were covered up as much as possible.

Fair enough.

The fanatic in question didnt even think to charge him with that crime!

JP-II did nothing about priests buggering altar boyx either.

ruveyn

John Paul was II alerted to the massive sexual abuse committed by Father Marcial Maciel in both 1978 (when he became pope) and in 1989, as one of his victims (Juan j. Vaca) provided detailed descriptions of the extent of the abuse which were forwarded to the Vatican. John Paul II did absolutely *nothing* to investigate these claims, and some even suggest that John Paul II prevented Ratzinger (the later Benedict XVI) from initiating investigations into these sex abuse allegations.

It is almost inconceivable that Ratzinger - given his rank within the Catholic Church - could be aware of sex abuse allegations (which he definitely was, even by his own admission) without John Paul II being aware of them as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_sca ... ial_Maciel
http://www.newsweek.com/father-marcial- ... ined-62811
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damia ... -cardinal/

I have read those links that you put here, and I am shocked at the Church should not be a place for those who harm children.
Pedophilia is a serious problem, but I can not believe that John Paul II for all he knew, maybe the Cardinals hiding the truth about how serious a problem and did not inform the Pope about it.

There was already a Nobel Peace Prize awarded for the fall of communism in Poland: it went to Lech Wałęsa

There was already a Nobel Peace Prize awarded for the fall of communism, generally: it went to Mikhail Gorbachev

These two men did far more to bring down communism than the Pope ever did.

In one sense, John Paul II was a vicitm of his own election. Had he remained Archbishop of Cracow, he would have been as potent and influential a force for change in Poland as Desmond Tutu was in South Africa. But once he was safely ensconced in the Apostolic Palace there was no opportunity for him to be on the front lines of change.

Meanwhile, in the Vatican, he did little to stem the tide of corruption extending into the IOR. He presided over a vast conspiracy to remain quiet about clerical abuse of children. He perpetuated a dogma regarding contraception and abortion that endangered the lives of millions.

Gorbachev never intended to bring down communism. It fell as a result of the space race, the arms race, the Chernobyl disaster, the war in Afghanistan, rapidly declining oil and natural gas prices, and the fact that the Soviet economy (despite the natural resources in Russia) had almost no productivity whatsoever.

The Vatican didn't bring it down, but it made sure that it didn't gain foothold again in most of the puppet regimes of the USSR.

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You're pretty horrible!