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26 Aug 2014, 11:33 pm

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I am more concerned about the word "disorder" then "mental", yet the word "disorder" is put right into some of the diagnostic names.



Definition of DISORDER
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: to disturb the order of
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: to disturb the regular or normal functions of

So let me get this straight you don't think autism disturbs normal functions?


The above comment gives the definition of the VERB disorder. In this case, we need to look at the definition of the NOUN disorder.

The definition of the noun 'disorder' as it relates to medicine and psychiatry is: "A derangement or abnormality of function; a morbid physical or mental state.

One may draw ones own conclusions :)

Source: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com



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26 Aug 2014, 11:48 pm

Hi_Im_B0B wrote:
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There is not real distinction between psychologic, psychiatric and neurologic. All are caused bychanges in the brain. The classification is analytical and arbitrary.
actually, there are. neurology is about the brain's structural/chemical makeup and functioning. psychology is about the consciousness' makeup and functioning. psychiatry is the medical speciality dealing with psychological issues.


This is my understanding of how those fields relate:

Psychology is: Stuff people made up to explain and describe behaviors they observed.

Neurology is: The science of the brain's structure, which attempts to answer the apparently unanswerable question of how the mind actually works in the first place.

Psychiatry is: A bridge between the two. Psychiatry takes the observations and theories of neurology and combines them with current psychological understanding to reverse-engineer a link between neurology and psychology.

One may draw ones own conclusions. :)



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27 Aug 2014, 8:05 am

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So let me get this straight you don't think autism disturbs normal functions?


I do as often as possible (and keep a job) - but I function competently in my own world. Autism is a "disorder" to NTs


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27 Aug 2014, 2:04 pm

It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.


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27 Aug 2014, 8:13 pm

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It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.


Mental yes, disorder no because its situational.


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28 Aug 2014, 4:05 am

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It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.


If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.
AS is in your head.
Therefore the AS is a mental disorder.

Sorry, it doesn't add up, look:

If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.
Neurotypical is in your head.
Therefore neurotypical is a mental disorder.

If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.
A passing thought is in your head.
Therefore a passing thought is a mental disorder.

If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.
Basic arithmetic is done in your head.
Therefore basic arithmetic is a mental disorder.

If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.
Your memories are in your head.
Therefore your memories are a mental disorder.



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28 Aug 2014, 7:17 am

Moromillas wrote:
If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.


League_Girl hasn't stated that.

League_Girl wrote:
It's in your head and anything in your head is mental...



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28 Aug 2014, 7:22 am

Moromillas wrote:
It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.


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Perhaps everything in your head is a disorder (particularly the redundancy that you think wins arguments), but not in mine.


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28 Aug 2014, 8:55 am

neobluex wrote:
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If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.


League_Girl hasn't stated that.

League_Girl wrote:
It's in your head and anything in your head is mental...


No no, here it is here: It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.



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28 Aug 2014, 9:10 am

Awiddershinlife wrote:
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It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.




Perhaps everything in your head is a disorder (particularly the redundancy that you think wins arguments), but not in mine.[/quote]

Oh, my sincerest apologies. I wasn't aware that pointing out fallacy and providing examples as to why it's a fallacy would cause the vapors.



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28 Aug 2014, 3:15 pm

Moromillas wrote:
neobluex wrote:
Moromillas wrote:
If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.


League_Girl hasn't stated that.

League_Girl wrote:
It's in your head and anything in your head is mental...


No no, here it is here: It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.


Correct argument:

AS is a disorder (implicit);
If anything is in your head, it is mental;
AS is in your head;
Therefore the AS is a mental disorder.


Without the implicit premise:

If anything is in your head, it is mental;
AS is in your head;
Therefore the AS is mental.



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28 Aug 2014, 9:22 pm

neobluex wrote:
Moromillas wrote:
neobluex wrote:
Moromillas wrote:
If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.


League_Girl hasn't stated that.

League_Girl wrote:
It's in your head and anything in your head is mental...


No no, here it is here: It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.


Correct argument:

AS is a disorder (implicit);
If anything is in your head, it is mental;
AS is in your head;
Therefore the AS is a mental disorder.


Without the implicit premise:

If anything is in your head, it is mental;
AS is in your head;
Therefore the AS is mental.


Hmm, it's still fallacy though, they're both still invalid. It's even worse now as what's tacked on beforehand is begging the question, and also the conclusion doesn't fit the consequent at all.

In the original argument, it goes from "mental" to "mental disorder" via a string on non-sequiturs. "Mental" would be a "mental condition" so is a "mental disorder". So the premise would be "If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder".

I don't know where you're going with the second one.



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28 Aug 2014, 10:18 pm

Moromillas wrote:
Hmm, it's still fallacy though, they're both still invalid. It's even worse now as what's tacked on beforehand is begging the question, and also the conclusion doesn't fit the consequent at all.

In the original argument, it goes from "mental" to "mental disorder" via a string on non-sequiturs. "Mental" would be a "mental condition" so is a "mental disorder". So the premise would be "If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder".

I don't know where you're going with the second one.


Strictly, the conclusion is "AS is a disorder and is mental", which is, pragmatically, a quite odd tense (hence the correction).

With that detail, both arguments are valid. And so yours. But your initial argument is not logically derived from League_Girl's statement.



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29 Aug 2014, 12:08 am

Moromillas wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.


If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.
AS is in your head.
Therefore the AS is a mental disorder.

Sorry, it doesn't add up, look:

If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.
Neurotypical is in your head.
Therefore neurotypical is a mental disorder.

If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.
A passing thought is in your head.
Therefore a passing thought is a mental disorder.

If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.
Basic arithmetic is done in your head.
Therefore basic arithmetic is a mental disorder.

If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.
Your memories are in your head.
Therefore your memories are a mental disorder.


Oh excuse me,

It's in your head and anything from the DSM that is in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.

Better?

See if you can twist that. :P


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29 Aug 2014, 1:24 am

neobluex wrote:
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Hmm, it's still fallacy though, they're both still invalid. It's even worse now as what's tacked on beforehand is begging the question, and also the conclusion doesn't fit the consequent at all.

In the original argument, it goes from "mental" to "mental disorder" via a string on non-sequiturs. "Mental" would be a "mental condition" so is a "mental disorder". So the premise would be "If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder".

I don't know where you're going with the second one.


Strictly, the conclusion is "AS is a disorder and is mental", which is, pragmatically, a quite odd tense (hence the correction).

With that detail, both arguments are valid. And so yours. But your initial argument is not logically derived from League_Girl's statement.


Which is begging the question and doesn't fit anything in the premise.

No they're not valid, you can see that in my examples. The argument is not mine, it doesn't look like you know what's going on.



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29 Aug 2014, 1:34 am

League_Girl wrote:
DSM


This is another one called ad verecundiam. It's where a source is touted as credible, to give credence to their argument, when in reality the source isn't credible to the subject.