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19 Sep 2014, 7:30 pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29288277

Is it supposed to be a taunt? Are they playing North Korea now? What could they possibly gain from this?



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19 Sep 2014, 7:54 pm

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Officials said this type of incident was not uncommon, and happens up to 10 times a year.


Business as usual, by the sounds of it. They weren't even in US airspace, but merely in the detection and tracking zone. Nothing new to see here.

What could they gain? Same thing as us: practice.



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19 Sep 2014, 10:57 pm

200 miles out, while American spy planes fly twelve miles off the China coast.

The border between Russia and America, is somewhere in a fifty mile wide bit of water.

flying within Russian airspace is within our defense zone.

Russian space reaches the main island of Japan.

Between is a very large navel base, where the subs feed.

Everything beyond twelve miles is open, international, and everyone has a right of passage.

Russian bombers fly down the east coast all the time, visit Cuba, and other friends.

They are the same ones that carry nukes. Also subs are off all of our coasts at all times.

From fifty miles out they could level the east and west coasts in minutes. It would not stop there.

It has been this way for fifty years.

How dare Russians act like Americans?

Russia is also moving into the Arctic. Since it will be icefree, and they have the longest coastline.

The geographic isolation of America is a thing of the past. The world starts twelve miles offshore.

One EMP attack, and nothing works. It came from space, we do not know who sent it, America would starve.

Moscow has underground shelter for everyone, with supplies.

America has that for Congress.

In the event of war, you all die.

Congress is in favor of war.

Congress owns defense industries.



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20 Sep 2014, 3:10 am

The general rule is foreign policy usually has to do with domestic policy. This is no different in North Korea. The whole point is it is NK is in a perpetual state of war it is a War State. So exactly when they are being ignored is when they make the most noise an provocation.

Putin want to consolidate power, and for it it to not slip away from him. They are not used to normal elections with policy debate, and the parties in the Duma are sock puppets of United Russia. There idea of a leader is someone who appears strong.



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20 Sep 2014, 3:13 am

At least he doesn't drink.



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20 Sep 2014, 3:22 am

Humanaut wrote:
At least he doesn't drink.


Is this a reference to Yeltsin?

Two wrong don't make a right. I find people who defend Putin lackluster in their argument. Yeltsin was largely incompetent in his latter years, Putin is actively regressing Russia, becuase of his 70 billion personal wealth fund under the cloak of nationalism, when in practice he care about that and the Oligarchs the pay their "roof", rather than Russian as a people and their future.



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20 Sep 2014, 4:55 am

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I find people who defend Putin lackluster in their argument.

I'm just focusing on the positives. Putin doesn't drink, and that's about it, but maybe he should be more like Yeltsin? I don't know.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9YnDirqwT4[/youtube]



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20 Sep 2014, 5:54 am

That is a really bad argument if you ask me.

You could argue that Yeltsin years were a missed opportunity, but at the same time it was already going down hill once they revolted on Gorbachev.

Now they just has a well establish system of corruption.



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20 Sep 2014, 5:58 am

0_equals_true wrote:
That is a really bad argument if you ask me.

It was the best I could come up with.



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20 Sep 2014, 5:59 am

However think the Benny Hill music is the correct choice :lol:



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20 Sep 2014, 1:00 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
Humanaut wrote:
At least he doesn't drink.


Is this a reference to Yeltsin?

Two wrong don't make a right. I find people who defend Putin lackluster in their argument. Yeltsin was largely incompetent in his latter years, Putin is actively regressing Russia, becuase of his 70 billion personal wealth fund under the cloak of nationalism, when in practice he care about that and the Oligarchs the pay their "roof", rather than Russian as a people and their future.


One just has to compare Russia under Yeltsin to Russia under Putin, it isn't hard to see why Putin has such high approval ratings. He restored her as an economic and military power, I don't think there are many in Russia that would describe his regime as regressing anything.



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20 Sep 2014, 1:12 pm

Jacoby wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Humanaut wrote:
At least he doesn't drink.


Is this a reference to Yeltsin?

Two wrong don't make a right. I find people who defend Putin lackluster in their argument. Yeltsin was largely incompetent in his latter years, Putin is actively regressing Russia, becuase of his 70 billion personal wealth fund under the cloak of nationalism, when in practice he care about that and the Oligarchs the pay their "roof", rather than Russian as a people and their future.


One just has to compare Russia under Yeltsin to Russia under Putin, it isn't hard to see why Putin has such high approval ratings. He restored her as an economic and military power, I don't think there are many in Russia that would describe his regime as regressing anything.


I would describe his rule as not appealing to all the demographics, promoting hatred towards the LGBT(+QA) community, doing nothing about anti-Semitic behavior and bullying other countries.



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20 Sep 2014, 2:14 pm

Jacoby wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Humanaut wrote:
At least he doesn't drink.


Is this a reference to Yeltsin?

Two wrong don't make a right. I find people who defend Putin lackluster in their argument. Yeltsin was largely incompetent in his latter years, Putin is actively regressing Russia, becuase of his 70 billion personal wealth fund under the cloak of nationalism, when in practice he care about that and the Oligarchs the pay their "roof", rather than Russian as a people and their future.


One just has to compare Russia under Yeltsin to Russia under Putin, it isn't hard to see why Putin has such high approval ratings. He restored her as an economic and military power, I don't think there are many in Russia that would describe his regime as regressing anything.

It's not Putin who restored Russia prosperity, it's the money coming from oil.



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20 Sep 2014, 2:48 pm

Jacoby wrote:
One just has to compare Russia under Yeltsin to Russia under Putin, it isn't hard to see why Putin has such high approval ratings. He restored her as an economic and military power, I don't think there are many in Russia that would describe his regime as regressing anything.


The economy wasn't doing that well even before Ukraine, it is also a one trick pony lacking economic diversity.

RUS GDP PPP 17,884 Int$
UK GDP PPP 37,307 Int$
US GDP PPP 53,101 Int$

Russia also want to increase birth rate. .



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20 Sep 2014, 2:56 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
However think the Benny Hill music is the correct choice :lol:

They should make it the new Russian anthem.