Anyone here who sees the unseen?

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Could be the other way around. Maybe even when the dog was alive you were actually hearing some sound from the airconditioning system of the house that you always assumed was 'the dog wimpering' or clinking its tags. And you only payed attention to it after the dog passed away.

When I used to live at my parents house I slept in a basement room beneath the living room. For years I would hear the two kitties doing their thing in the middle of the night: thumping around, playing tag, and chasing mice in the living room above as I drifted off to sleep. Trouble is as the years went by, first one, then the other cat passed away. But I would still hear them playing around in the room above the cieling while I was in bed. What I was probably hearing was the furnance, and not the cats. It may have been that even when the cats were alive I was really hearing the furnance all along, and wrongly attributing its sounds to the cats ( or maybe both things were making similiar sounds at night).

Your criticism is understandable to me, and yes I expect IT.

The issue is that your definition of nature and the significance you place on it is much different than mine.

I think the three letter word GOD pretty much sucks as it sounds more like a noun than a verb of being, and yes that is what Nature is, a verb of being.

If you watch the video below, for those who truly understand the complexity of nature and the reality of our total reliance on it, whether that can be seen from the microscopic view of humans instead of a scientific macroscopic view, the same Zealous appreciation seen for GOD, often an imaginary force in Church, is seen for ALL IT IS also known as mother nature TRUE. When I say true it is where one lives in alignment with the laws of Mother Nature aka GOD.

See, it's just silly little human words that try to limit the GOD of Mother Nature TRUE. And in my opinion anyone who thinks they can escape Mother Nature is making a grave mistake. See the analogies; replace GOD in there and you've got basically the same thing.

It's that blinded religious folk, per the Southern Baptist variety think that silly little humans have dominion over the EARTH and nature, and that is plain silly, according to modern science today.

For me I F**ing, (Funning) LOVE science as it is FUN to learn more and more about the GOD of NATURE; a force that is TRULY the master of human being and not the other way around. Yes, science does show this as true.

People who try to escape their human nature through culture, and yes, culture is the illusion when it goes against Mother Nature True, pay the consequences, whether it is one third of school age children today, who are pre-diabetic, or the extremely high rates now of pain killers used in the adult demographic, and the necessity of more and more young folks, including children going on anti-depressants and of course adults too.

The results are all around us, and while it may be controversial I believe that most of higher functioning Autism, is caused by an environment where folks no longer live according to the rules of human nature, per a life for thousands and thousands of years evolutionary spent in social cognition rather than making folks into the machines they work with by feeding their brains with it, moreover in the way they spend their life now, day to day.

And yes, science now does show this has evidentiary support, as there are two pathways in the brain: one of mechanical cognition and one of social cognition. Use one to the exclusion of the other, and one represses the other, and the other can wither away, as empathy is a learned skill, too, not necessarily a human given, as in negative epigenetics and neuroplasticity human suffering can occur for a human out of balance with their human nature, as set by evolution and the GOD of mother nature.

And nah, I wouldn't likely give my philosophy of TOTALLY BELIEVING NATURE IS GOD, if it wasn't for the FACT that I moved my score on the Autism Quotient test from around 44 to 45 to 11, and from 195 to 92 on the Aspie Quiz, after I started the actual ACTION of living according to the rules of human nature.

And to be clear, what I find in real life, is not even science fully understands what human nature can be, if set free, as we are so domesticated by culture, that one has to look to primitive cultures to get a better view on this, or even to look to overall nature and our closest primate ancestor the Bonobo who shares a similar empathy gene, to truly understand that the empathy gene is what truly sets us so far apart from our other primate cousins.

But their are niches in science discovering what true fuller human potential can be, per the study of Yogis 'in the Mountains', who do amazing feats of human potential like generating steams of heat from their robes in icy waters.

Live with the laws of the Mother Nature as they apply to humans and live an amazing life, or live against them and risk a true human hell.

Sounding like a good metaphor for GOD, yet, well yes, it should, as truly this is what the man Yeshua aka Jesus was really describing in the Gospel of Thomas, and even to a large degree in the Koran, with Muhammad and even in the Old Testament as originally written, in Judaism. Yeah, that was a long time ago, so there are a lot of mistakes, but yeah, science has to start somewhere, huh. It gets refined over the years, and the ignorant don't follow along with progress in understanding the GOD of nature TRUE.

The God of nature TRUE; while in our natural form one strong with human empathy for love per that genetic pre-disposition, is also the GOD of ruthless competition, per what it takes to survive in the wild, and the wild of the insanity of culture, as well.

SO yeah, there are so-called masculine or patriarchal elements too, per the metaphor of a father GOD of nature for survival and a mother GOD of nature and human empathy and love. These are just metaphors and better ones really than some of the other religious ones now.

A culture where an animal built to move, sits still most of the day now, in the office or school environment behind the screen of a computer fixated with gaze on a 2 dimensional screen rather than scanning the horizons for basic subsistence, is truly insanity.

And even before when computers weren't involved and the teacher and a lecture was all there was to do, for the most part, but at least flesh and blood humans were involved more in the 'cultural transaction', to keep the insanity going.

One result of that is close to 90% of Chinese children and near sighted glasses, as science now shows that close work on a computer is a substantial contributing causal factor.

Again, live with nature and thrive, or against it and pay the real price of going against mother and human nature. That price could be glasses or perhaps to a substantial degree per causal factor as indicated by science in general study, per environmental factors and autism. And perhaps pay the price of higher functioning autism, and living on the 'Wrong Planet', which is culture instead of Mother Nature True in balance according to the innate laws of human nature.

I hope that answered your question. It's a lot more complicated than meets the eye. I have found ways to live with the laws of Mother Nature; even down to the way I move every step in life according to the golden 'meaned' spiral of 1.618 in the way I flow in movement instead of robotic angular moves, in close to a straight line.

The benefit of that for me, is amazing strength empirically measured by leg press with free weights now at 760LBS, at age 54, where my fellow actives duty marines, at the gym I workout just stare in awe and say WTF.

It is the similar when I go dancing with college age folks who can only keep up with me around 10 or so minutes where I go for three and a half hours without even needing a water break.

For me the answer is simply, a body truly balanced is a body that works with the law of gravity instead of against gravity. It's simply why I don't get tired, I am not exerting nearly as much energy, even though to the casual viewer they think I must be on some type of energy booster drug to even possibly be able to do it, and I received that comment three times last night REALLY doing it.

Oh yes, and the girls do love it too, even with me amazingly too at age 54, but that too is mother nature working in all 'her' true glory. Survival of the fittest, and good genes for reproducing; It's an instinctual thing, that is at the core of Mother Nature, as that pertains to human animals too.

Nah, girls don't miss it, even at the subconscious level, when they chase me down to dance, at age 54. But I'm happily married, am brave and free like a sea gull spiraling around the Sun. I need no substance abuse or sex addiction to live an amazing life just as is, in accordance with the laws of Mother Nature true, aka GOD, me and 'her' simply working in harmony to have an outstanding life.

The secrets are within, per instinct and human nature. Many great philosophers; including Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, and so may others have been saying this all along as simple human common sense.

Escape the illusions of culture and live in accordance with the GOD of nature and thrive; do otherwise and simply suffer as science does now definitely show.

So yeah, common sense rules, at the end of the day. And all common sense is, is understanding the GOD of nature given nature of human being TRUE; NOT THE illusion version propagated by illusions of culture.

Culture and religion are truly one and same.

They can take folks away from mother nature and their true human being, but yes, there are paths back, from within per instinct and intuition for those who finally escape the illusions of culture and find their way back 'home', truly home, not living an illusion fostered by the myths of religion or CULTURE AS ONE and same.

But anyway here's that video. Just replace the zealous appreciation for Mother Nature with GOD and Bill Nye, Carl Sagan, Richard Feynman and crew are worshipping mother nature, and frigging want to share it with the whole dam world.

I will be ?perfectly? happy if the entire world bans the word GOD and replaces IT with Mother Nature as the great force and mystery IT still IS.

But the problem with that is GOD is now a pejorative rather than a respected force of Mother Nature as in the days of Yeshua and his followers, per Gospel of Thomas.

People are not going to give up the word GOD anymore than they are going to give up the four letter F word, which in some ways now is one and same.

And yes, I frigging DISLIKE ignorance, but no I don't blame human beings as being the virus for that. I blame culture as the true manufactured virus of complex human language and human culture per collective so-called illusory intelligence (like the kind that says sit behind a desk still all day to make it in life).

Culture and religion per fundamentalist ways are truly sick in many ways, in my opinion, and of course scientists share that opinion with me too, per the Carl Sagan caliber who do not specialize in just one field of science to see the macrocosm of mother nature living through all things, down to the smallest pattern in Quantum Physics of Golden 'meaned' Spiral of 1.618, same as seen in the pattern of form of the Milky Way and all other galaxies too.

Or the Sun the revolving around a black hole and the electrons that revolve around every nucleus of every atom in every molecule in our body as one exquisite finely tuned work of art of LIFE; THE REAL LIFE, not the illusion fostered by culture and ways of life that are dominated by mechanical cognition, rather than a balance of life in reason/logic and emotion/creativity and hell yes the ART of movement too, instead of moreover mechanical movement

As scientific and mother nature of GOD true metaphor: First there was dark, then light, then movement or dance, and then sound or song.

The rest is history, and the illusions of culture.

Add in the human emotion of love that other social animals share to some degree: And you've got the WHOLE THING, IN A NUT SHELL; AND NO, not the insane kind of NUT of complex human language and culture/religion.

I've taken some time and effort to answer your question. I hope you can respect that, as that is part of human being nature true, when it works. And yes, predictably a real problem in this forum: Basic human respect and dignity for the other human too. AND YES, It's predictable, both by the science of GOD aka Mother Nature True AND REAL HUMAN BEING TRUE NATURE AS SUCH, two and same as ONE force of NATURE AKA GOD. :)

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I disagree with that one. I was looking for 11 years and didn't see anything.

Hmmm...good point. I wonder if the ABILITY to "see" has anything to do with it. In the literal sense, I am vision-impaired and rely on corrective lenses. I wonder if something like a sensus divinitatis varies among individuals. I firmly believe in God, but I don't always have this sense of a divine "presence" that many people seem to possess. There was one time that I did feel a strong presence that stayed with me for several weeks, and it was like being high and never coming down. It was amazing. There was a physiological component to that as well, though, and I'm not willing nor prepared to do that again.

It is enough to know the presence is there at all, though. Going back to the impaired vision analogy, it would be like losing my glasses and having to navigate my house. I would do just fine without my glasses. The difference is if you lack the ability or have an impaired ability to sense a spirit world, you aren't any more broken a person than anyone else.

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Yes, for me in one life it varies too. I was connected to this divine sense of connection to GOD off and on in my life, but never as strongly in the last year. Escaping culture and physical illness is key for me, but without the illness I might very well still be living in the dark ages of TRUE connection with GOD.

Yes, the light most definitely can and does come from dark. Or the cross, you will. :)

Last year around June was an incredibly hot time for me in terms of this stuff. I got the first inklings of it in my life - really ever - in late September 2012, it became something I actually considered a tactile/energetic phenomena by February of March of 2013, and it turned into some incredibly full-on 'dark visions' - not dark in a disturbing way, much of the emotional contact was much the opposite - just in being able to very vividly sense shape, position, and intentionality of sentient beings around me that were in my orbit - even snuggling with me - but in a such a manner where I didn't 'see' so much as, for the lack of a better word, had a very direct sense of them as well as what seemed to be sentient energies moving through my body a bit like waves of ecstacy moving like they were goldfish swimming around. Also if you've ever seen one of those corny pictures of a heart with angel wings - you can literally feel something like that and it's not a palpitation, something a lot more unusual and wider-spread through your chest.

I actually remember my parents had one of those story-things on the radio where it talked about a man or woman in bed in a dark room when they all of a sudden saw a pin-prick of light grow, and grow, and grow, until an angel manifested in their room. At that age I was actually terrified of what it would be like to see something like that in my room, especially before I knew what it was.

After last summer I can say this - it would be a very different thing to, say, have your room be in a cold state emotionally and all of a sudden have something startle or surprise you visually vs. actually feeling an upwelling of intent long before you see anything (ie. you get quite a bit of warning that something is going on) and even moreso if that intent your feeling pointed toward you is incredibly positive. That last part is a large part of the difference between an ecstatic experience with the supernatural (whatever it really is) vs. having to change your drawers and nail-biting over the prospect of going back in that room.

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This is a key point for me as well. The divine connection for me is not something I see with my physical ears or eyes. It is a perception of feeling beyond anything felt before. No, it is not hallucination and NO IT is not unreal. IT as experience of life is one that simply not all share. And perhaps very few religious per brick and mortar church or NOT religious share this too.

As metaphor again, there are folks on the Autism Spectrum who have problems thinking visually and there are folks on the Autism Spectrum who have problems thinking and speaking verbally, and that list of cognitive differences in human perception of the world go on and on.

But this truly is the 'perfect' analogy for understanding why some folks experience a 'divine' connection in life and some folks don't. From a scientific perspective they simply are not cognitively equipped to do so, either as an innate or environmental factored issue.

And no, this divine connection is no less normal than the person who experiences verbal thinking as opposed to the person who experiences visual thinking as their way of navigating the world. They are all human; they are just equipped differently to experience the world by Mother Nature True aka GOD.

Finding the language to describe this to the un-initiated into this type of life experience is extremely difficult. Perhaps almost as difficult as it for me to imagine how life must be for folks with non-verbal learning disorder symptoms among the 50% or so studied with Asperger's; some of who tell me they do not see any visual images of the world in their head at all when they navigate the world.

I have a living color movie in my head of experiences to before I could speak at age 4, that I can call up at will, but I through great effort am learning to control these visual memories to stay in the NOW of life continuously living in the BLISS of now.

And yes, before in life, this was a great source of anxiety at times, as I could virtually live in so many places in such a short period of time in my mind, through 'high definition living color memories', both good and bad, and even dreams too.

For me that is a horrifying thought; yes, the thought of not being able to visualize in mind the way I can; one I can visualize as the worst darkness I can imagine; far more dark than the life of the non-verbal child I once was; yes, it seems to me.

But never the less, their life experience is no less or no more important or valid than mine.

While only illness of losing my effective sight and hearing for five years brought me to a place where I could finally describe this in words where someone might understand it. The reality of reality is so frigging much stranger than fiction, that the much FULLER story of LIFE IS yet to be wrITTEN

But perhaps there is still time, for others and me too.

But for those who live in darkness:

There is always hope, whether that emotion of hope can be TRULY FELT or not.

If nothing else my life is proof of that.

And yes, this is documented too; yes, both in words and photos; per my life now of words and visual images, both in mind and print; digital style.

In the Bible, angels are God's hit men. I'd need new underwear if I actually met one face-to-face. If they are in the role of God's messengers, they seldom bear good news.

When they DO deliver good news, it's pretty awesome. But I'd probably be freakin' out until the angel says "Dude, chill." I'm pretty sure one told me to stay calm and exit a moving vehicle.

i wouldnt know why you wouldnt have been able to see (or hear, feel, whatevre) anything as i dont know who you are but main posibilities that come to mind is you wer looking for somethinng more than what was there/didnt exist and least part o that is fault of culture - the behaviourss, expectations, symbols instillled in you. I wouldnt know how in 11 years you coldnt have stepped out into nature and felt the life all around you and heard the voice of the trees and water or listenedd to voice of the Mother or just had a respectfull "conversation" with another animal (put in quotations because dosnt have human words but its conversation in sense you are comunicating in body language). all this is spirit, all this is divine, and i can onlly think what youve been looking for is something more "in-your'-face," overblownn "supernatural" event that gets stylised in western art so much, whethre that is a god visiting you in a flaming chariot or a little person slapping you in the face or ghost walkin down hallway or whatever.

those sort of things in my experince rarely happen, and i think they dont happen to anyone who has not even made the most simple, basic, but maybe ultimatelly supreme "spiritual" connection with their own nature and the nature around them. i would like to think that anyone then can experience such things, because we are alll animals, all part of this nature on this planet, but i guess as other people suggesting, some may not be mentally equipped for it because theyve become so jacked up by theiir culture, whethre to view nature as something somhow apart from themselves or to revile nature or theyve become physically/mentally deformed by the pollution caused by that culture that they can no onger see or realise, least not withuot lot more effort. Im just throwing that speculation out there becuse to me its no effort, ive lived with this all my life, anyone who matters at all to me, whethre family or other animals, live with it, and cant reallly imagine how theres those who dont, can only speculate.

I'd just need to find the right way of saying "No hablo Enochian" although I'm sure I'll learn it on some rudamentary level some day as it might get nearly as important as Mandarin one of these days. Apparently Raphael, Gabriel, Michael, and Uriel have been sent on a mission to get to know humanity and have been working with Kabbalists/Qabalists for centuries, some of the others however are truly foreign in nature and talking to them can be a bit jarring. The thing I've heard quite often - the Enochian Angels and what people call Zetas are pretty much interchangeable. That makes the conceptual boundary between ufology and eschatology blurry to say the least.

I like this. But I still think that it comes more naturally to some than others.

Something I get from time to time is "If there's a God, why doesn't He just show up?" Meaning, of course, in a sort of way that would satisfy a certain standard of falsifiability. That, of course, puts God in a difficult position: To prove himself, he must subject himself to human manipulation. This would betray one aspect of God's nature, that being he created us for himself rather than existing for our pleasure.

I believe God already showed up, and several times at that. God didn't force anyone to believe in him then; I don't see why God would be obligated to do so now.

Sorry I thought you meant literally see, hear, feel etc.

I used to see 'unseen' thing all the time when I was younger. I now know it was anxiety driven hallucinations.

My primary carer died when i was 3. She had a stroke, went into a coma and when my mother came home they found me on her lap.
When I was little. There used to be a glow. Really bright yet gentle. Had a silhouet in it. And there was a voice. That always told me not to worry. That everything would be allright in the end. And it did turn out allright so far