Atheists are no better than religious nuts

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14 Oct 2014, 8:22 pm

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Communists are athiest.

You are not correct. Some of the first communists in history were the early Christians, who were required to give up all personal property when they joined the group. Those who held out were severely punished.

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Communists committed more murders than any other ideology in the 20th century.

You are not correct. Communists killed a lot of people en masse either through stupid policy decisions or elimination of political rivals, but fascists come in a close second and capitalists continue to chalk up death after death to this day through the greed and callousness of multinationals and the regimes that support them. Just in the last decade, hundreds of thousands have died in Iraq to support a few oil companies.

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And since atheism isn't an ideology, it's a lack of belief in a God, it's hard to blame the lack of an ideology for mass murder. It's like saying only belief in God can prevent murder, and that's ridiculous.

Your strawman is ridiculous.
This argument was simply about crimes committed by groups of atheists.

By that metric, every war death caused by a nation of Christians can be laid at the feet of Christianity.

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14 Oct 2014, 8:39 pm

Stop dancing around split hairs and admit it:
Atheists are in no way morally superior to people of faith.

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14 Oct 2014, 9:23 pm

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Stop dancing around split hairs and admit it:
Atheists are in no way morally superior to people of faith.

They do have one advantage in that they are not vulnerable to acting stupidly due to faith in a religious text. That is inherently a morally superior position.

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14 Oct 2014, 9:25 pm

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This argument was simply about crimes committed by groups of atheists.

That's why it's a stupid argument. Crimes committed by atheists aren't due to atheism and can't be due to atheism. Some crimes committed by Christians are a direct result of Christianity.

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14 Oct 2014, 9:32 pm

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ripped wrote:

Stop dancing around split hairs and admit it:
Atheists are in no way morally superior to people of faith.

They do have one advantage in that they are not vulnerable to acting stupidly due to faith in a religious text.

The religious have no monopoly on stupidity.

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14 Oct 2014, 9:55 pm

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15 Oct 2014, 1:52 pm

ripped wrote:

Stop dancing around split hairs and admit it:
Atheists are in no way morally superior to people of faith.

Well, sure. People are people. Likewise, 'People of faith' are in no way morally superior to to atheists.

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15 Oct 2014, 3:31 pm

ripped wrote:

AspE wrote:

ripped wrote:

Stop dancing around split hairs and admit it:
Atheists are in no way morally superior to people of faith.

They do have one advantage in that they are not vulnerable to acting stupidly due to faith in a religious text.

The religious have no monopoly on stupidity.

They do on a certain kind of stupidity. The kind that makes otherwise good people do evil things due to faith in a book.

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15 Oct 2014, 8:51 pm

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They do on a certain kind of stupidity. The kind that makes otherwise good people do evil things due to faith in a book.

Evidence?

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15 Oct 2014, 9:35 pm

LKL wrote:

ripped wrote:

Communists are athiest.

The Taiping Rebellion was praised by Mao as "proto-Communist":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion

and the people who ran the rebellion wouldn't be confused as atheist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Heavenly_Kingdom

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15 Oct 2014, 10:19 pm

AspE wrote:

ripped wrote:

AspE wrote:

ripped wrote:

Stop dancing around split hairs and admit it:
Atheists are in no way morally superior to people of faith.

They do have one advantage in that they are not vulnerable to acting stupidly due to faith in a religious text.

The religious have no monopoly on stupidity.

They do on a certain kind of stupidity. The kind that makes otherwise good people do evil things due to faith in a book.

And the followers of Chairman Mao's 'little red book'?..

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16 Oct 2014, 3:03 am

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I did not attack Darwin. You know what I did? All I asked was if there was a possibility that religion is not neccessarily the root of all evil, but that evil comes from politics, and that the
religious nuts aren't really pulling religion down on politics, its the other way around: One's political opinions are reflected in your religious beliefs. Ie. If you think God hates liberals, it is because YOU hate liberals.

That innocent little thing could get the atheist forum members into a vulgar attack on me as a person, shouting "f**k you", "do you f*****g understand that..."

I don't hate atheists. I don't hate religious people. But I hate communities and group adherence and I despise conformity.
THAT is the root of all evil. And atheists are conformists too, when grouped, thus they become no better than the religious people.

I agree that group mentality can make everyone equally foolish regardless of their agenda, but it's not the root of all evil. Terrible things have been done by groups who put aside their individuality to go along with the program--but so have great things. I don't think about "what is the root of all evil", or even "evil," because it takes only a few minutes of analytical thought for both concepts to fall apart almost completely.

I do know that people are always going to disagree about absolutely everything, forever and ever, and none of it should be taken too seriously. The one similarity is that everybody wants to feel validated in their beliefs (or lack of them), and will seek out places and pieces of information that enforce that feeling, because none of them are really certain. That's why I don't bother with debate very much anymore. For all the effort we put into it, very little is accomplished.

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16 Oct 2014, 10:45 am

ripped wrote:

AspE wrote:

ripped wrote:

AspE wrote:

ripped wrote:

Stop dancing around split hairs and admit it:
Atheists are in no way morally superior to people of faith.

They do have one advantage in that they are not vulnerable to acting stupidly due to faith in a religious text.

The religious have no monopoly on stupidity.

They do on a certain kind of stupidity. The kind that makes otherwise good people do evil things due to faith in a book.

And the followers of Chairman Mao's 'little red book'?..

Another kind of faith. Indeed, Mao is a religious figure. Did you know he ate a mango once, and ever since mangos are considered almost sacred in China? No one would ever dare eat one, and they are often enshrined in small glass cases.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ution.html

One dentist in a small village, who dared to compare a touring mango to a sweet potato was put on trial for malicious slander and executed.

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18 Oct 2014, 2:55 am

ripped wrote:

AspE wrote:

ripped wrote:

AspE wrote:

ripped wrote:

Stop dancing around split hairs and admit it:
Atheists are in no way morally superior to people of faith.

They do have one advantage in that they are not vulnerable to acting stupidly due to faith in a religious text.

The religious have no monopoly on stupidity.

They do on a certain kind of stupidity. The kind that makes otherwise good people do evil things due to faith in a book.

And the followers of Chairman Mao's 'little red book'?..

An unorganized, uncontrolled army of teenagers who worshiped Mao as a virtual god.

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20 Oct 2014, 9:29 am

I'm sure all of the viscous atheists, described by others, exist somewhere out there, just as you can assign bad deeds to some members of any group.

But when I think of atheism I remember the words: ".....no hell below us, above us only sky.", and remember the person who sang/wrote those words. I think, for people of "good heart", this is what is meant by "atheism."

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20 Oct 2014, 1:02 pm

ZenDen wrote:

I'm sure all of the viscous atheists, described by others, exist somewhere out there, just as you can assign bad deeds to some members of any group.

But when I think of atheism I remember the words: ".....no hell below us, above us only sky.", and remember the person who sang/wrote those words. I think, for people of "good heart", this is what is meant by "atheism."

I hope that was a typo :lol:

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