bad opinion on temple grandin
I may be the first person to have brought that up! Sorry if I offend anyone with my opinion.
I agree. Even if she is making the slaughter houses more humane you think she'd be doing other things. If she loves cows they way I love meerkats (which I don't think she does) she'd be doing everything in her power to end their slaughter and convince everyone to be vegan. She also does expirments with them to prove that her "squeese box" works and things like that. Yeah, she's a hypocryte.
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I vaguely recall reading what she said. I'm fairly sure she did not mean to say something else. I think she says what she means.
When I say I have no subconscious - I do mean exactly what I say.
I'm fairly sure most people do have a subconscious. At least, they certainly write about having it a lot, and say they act based upon its dictates.
I think some people are more aware than others why they do what they do. Do you mean you are completely self aware? I'm not arguing, if it's a matter of degree it stands to reason someone could be very very self aware. I'm just trying to clarify if that's what you mean. I think I have an ability to cut through the layers of ulterior intentions but certainly not completely.
That not completely thing, I think it's impossible for someone to be 100% self-aware, NT or ASD. The perceptions are always seen threw a window.. a screen.. some sort of filter that is based upon past experiences. There's a scene in American Pie that illustrates that point very clearly. LOL.
Temple is right, she said what she meant. This thread shows a range, the world is broader, and you only get to put forth one point of view. All of her speaking is directed at people with little to no knowledge of inside autism, so she has to craft messages that will reach them.
It is not about my lack of social skills, that does seem the prime driver in most to me. I say I am just my DNA acting out. I am an animal. I have one mind.
I see the other side, I am what in others is the subconscious, the animal they deny.
I fit an old saying.
"You can teach a pig to dance, but it will never get really good at it, and it makes the pig unhappy."
Nothing wrong with bringing up that the focus of autism has produced, we are not all usless people who should be shot, or worse. To defend a group it helps to show their better points, even if most are far from it.
While it does seem there are some bright NTs, that may be aspies who are just good social liers. Some of us have learned a few tricks over the years. There does seem an inner drive in autism lacking in most, all of my life I have been told that I study things that I am not paid to study, nor do they have anything to do with my employment, This confounds the general population.
For me it has paid off, for over years things change, and new skills are needed, I have them. They, who most have not read a book since leaving school, expect to be trained on the job, and no job should take learning. We do have 17% unemployment.
In public speaking there is your message, and how it impacts the listeners, who are paying customers. Politics, the band on tour, speakers, it is all the same, some things work.
Here I would say, "I am an ape." You are all apes, and most are in deep denial. That is truthful and blunt, and now everyone feels insulted and wants their money back. Temple skipped that, said "I have no suconscious," and they will all be back for the next tour and bring their friends.
In Jewish Culture there are people trained and skilled at killing food animals. They do a clean job of it. They have been doing it that way for thousands of years. It shows a respect for the life taken for feeding the people.
The American system was not as aware, before Temple. It was a major step toward a better world.
I see the same for autism, if there are only a few who produce wonders, the wonders are shared by all, and you would not want that to stop.
The cave man story is a lie, it was a girl, but we are technology. It was also a girl who made pottery, wove cloth, after making string for snares, rope, and other skills that take focus. Aspies were always bad hunters, but they would learn new ways. Great hunters kept trying for new records, like killing a charging Bison with a spear. Great hunters did not last.
Again she puts it in terms they will understand and remember. The Bill Gates and computers connection is another one that works.
Getting the message out to 99% that they do not want to kill us is good. Making money doing so is better.
There is a huge stigma asscoaited with autism and AS and she is slowy helping to get rid of it. She's not saying everyone with autism is the next Enstine but she believes in encoraging the things they can do instead of obsession on what they can't. She is still a hypocryte when she says she loves cattle but then maybe she loves them on a plate.
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Or perhaps her definition of love is different than yours; it doesn't invalidate how she feels because it doesn't match your own. I agree that she has done much to remove stigma and stereotype on the spectrum, and shows what being comfortable with yourself can do.
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I may be the first person to have brought that up! Sorry if I offend anyone with my opinion.
The same reason farmers who lovingly bring up their animals from birth do, I guess.
Okay, I have to say this I hate the *idea* of slaughtering animals to feed people. Yep I do. Won't catch me NEAR a slaughterhouse.
However, I eat meat. I like to eat meat. I just like that convenient disconnect between the actual animal killed to give me the meat and the package it comes in at the store.
I love animals. I have 10 cats and 3 dogs. Of course, we don't eat our cats and dogs so I guess it's not the same.. but I love horses and cows and chickens and roosters and turkeys too! I love animals.
I also love eating them. So ... someone is going to have to do the slaughtering and I can see where someone who loves animals and yet knows these animals are going to be slaughtered regardless of vegan efforts does something to make it a more humane process instead or until the vegans take over. Because she loves those animals and doesn't think it right that the way before was that the cows knew what was coming and would be terrified.
It's like giving dogs a needle to "go to sleep" instead of shooting them in the head when they're sick and in pain.
So, if Temple is diabetic or hypoglycemic, she may indeed need to eat meat for health reasons.
I have the symptoms of reactive hypoglycemia and it feels really scary. My blood sugar can drop very suddenly and I feel faint,confused, my hands shake etc.etc. High protein keeps it stabilized.
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Same here...
I once was falling asleep and couldn't stay awake ... i asked my then 3 year old son to call my mom (who thankfully lived 2 houses down from us at the time) he speed dialed her and got her to come over. How a non-verbal child managed it, I do not know because I was passed out by then.
My mom said my son clearly said to her "Come. Help. Mom. Needs. Help. Please.Nana.Help.Mom" and then hung up. Amazing to me to this day.
She came and took my blood sugar level... 35. and while waiting for the ambulance she took it again... 15.
I hadn't eaten in two days because I forgot to eat.
Than she needs to find some other way to treat it or perpetualy be veiwed by me as a hypocryte. There are "animal lovers" who aren't vegetatian but then they are usualy only "animal lovers" to "cute" animals such as dogs or rabbits and they don't go about preaching how much they love them. So yes, she is a hypocryte not just about cows but also about autism. If she's so proud of being autistic, why isn't she on the anti cure bandwagon like most of us?
Unless Temple Grandin quits stating how much she loves cows or promotes veganism, she is always going to be seen as a hypocryte by me.
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