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27 Nov 2011, 12:36 am

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It is pretty obvious to me that Chris Chan has extremely serious issues, I feel sorry for him as a human being and wish him no harm; by the grace of what may be any of us could find ourselves in his same shoes.


I've stumbled upon this thread in a Google search and became fascinated with it. Aghogday hit the nail on the head with this statement because sadly no matter how bad Chris-Chan is, it will give an excuse for NTs who hate people with any mental/neurological disorder to persecute ALL people with such conditions.

As much as Chris-Chan has made questionable choices in his life and lifestyle, it will just feed the grist mill that is Encyclopedia Dramatica. Sadly, for every person like Chris-Chan the trolls at ED make fun of, there are nine others who have his kind of mental condition or something else who do not deserve the bullying they have to put up with from ED. Frankly, ED is a modern day, high-tech minstrel show in that instead of white guys in black face, there are NTs who make fun of people with mental disabilities by perpetuating stereotypes about them.

I'll state for the record that I have ADHD as a primary condition and PDD-NOS as a secondary condition. Unlike Chris-Chan, I do actually have a job (I work at the print shop my parents own and operate) and I don't do a Sonic the Hedgehog recolor like he does, but I can relate in a way to some of the bullying he has to put up with because I was subjected to intense bullying at school due to my conditions (I was in Special Education). While I haven't been in a "Love Quest" like Chris-Chan, one of the things the bullies used to do to me was to go up to me and tell me that "so-and-so girl loves you!" and tell me to go up to her and ask her if it was true. When I did, the girl would invariably run away from me, screaming "Get away from me, you monster!" :( Other times they'd say cruel things to me like "Your house is on fire!" and "Garfield's dead!", and often that goaded me into getting into fistfights with the bullies.

I can further relate to Chris-Chan in a way in regard to Sonichu because I used to write Daria fan fiction and I got lots of flaming reviews for my stories from jerks who just did that for kicks. Eventually I gave up writing fan fiction altogether because I couldn't take it anymore.

Also, I am deeply concerned given a recent article in Time magazine where members of the Tea Party blamed kids who have ADHD collecting SSI/Social Security Disability for America's economic woes. Sadly some of these Tea Party folks (and perhaps a good number of the ED trolls) want to bring back the "good old days" where people who had any mental disorder were put into straighjackets, thrown into padded rooms, the doors locked and the keys thrown away so that they would be "Chained, naked, beaten with rods, and lashed into obedience!" as the famed reformer Dorothea Dix wrote in her famous letter to the Massachusetts General Court (State Legislature) in regard to the mental institutions of her day. If such people were lucky and were allowed to go to school, it would be at either a special state-run institution or if it was in the regular public school system, it would be at a separate building apart from the "regular" school--out of sight, out of mind. :(

Sadly all it would take would be for some of these Tea Party folks (and some of the ED trolls) to take over the White House and/or Congress next year to make this former nightmare a reality once again.

Admittedly people like Chris-Chan make it more difficult for people in the neurodiverse community to paint a more positive image of ourselves, but it we don't defend the Chris-Chans of the world, we will be the next targets.

I will leave you now with a famous quote from German pastor Martin Neimoller:

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

If no one speaks for people like Chris-Chan, when our turn comes, no one will speak up for us.

Something to think about, folks. :evil:


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27 Nov 2011, 4:33 pm

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Admittedly people like Chris-Chan make it more difficult for people in the neurodiverse community to paint a more positive image of ourselves, but it we don't defend the Chris-Chans of the world, we will be the next targets.....If no one speaks for people like Chris-Chan, when our turn comes, no one will speak up for us.

Something to think about, folks. :evil:


I can't really say I agree with a blanket statement like that.

If you are hiding from the Nazis, and someone like CWC thinks it will be funny to start yelling "hey, here we are, over here!", what do you do? I'll even grant you that the person truly does not understand the consequences. At that point, just before the jack booted thugs bust down the door to your hiding place, are you going to think sticking by someone like that was such a good idea, or would you wish you'd let him deal with consequences on his own?



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05 Dec 2011, 3:57 am

Oh dear, finally it's time for someone to invoke Godwin's Law, people.



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12 Dec 2011, 3:52 pm

I used to think that Chris Chan didn't deserve any of the mistreatment he gets from Internet trolls. But now, I believe that Chris Chan is sort of asking for trouble. CWC's autism may be a factor in his behavior, but I don't see how the trolls who target him are picking on him due to his autism.

Although I don't approve of Internet trolling, the CWCki said it better than I can:

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We don't do it because he's autistic, but rather because he's a racist, sexist, homophobic, unsympathetic, ungrateful, jealous, kid-scaring and troll-feeding, narcissistic, spitefully antagonistic thief, and an all-around failure who wastes the hard-earned tax money of average Americans on video games and sex toys while contributing nothing to society despite his basic abilities. Furthermore, he's someone who realizes he has a problem and what he does doesn't work but refuses to get help, even ignoring the help of well-meaning individuals.


IMO, there are bigoted fools in every demographic. Every race, nationality, and gender has their share of bad people, so it was only a matter of time before one of these discriminatory, insensitive AND lazy people who just happens to be autistic would come to light.



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13 Dec 2011, 3:58 am

Chris chan has taken a break from internet activity, I think it´d be best if we just let him enjoy his break and try to move on.

As some wise person said on another forum we all do stupid things when we are young and this guy just had the bad luck of having his actions broadcasted over the internet.

I think he deserves some of the flack he got but that his bullies went a bit too far(setting him up on fake dates/giving him false hopes about creating a videogame out of sonichu...)

Also I understand that as godwin stated every internet argument eventually ends up comparing the other party to the nazis but please try to make an effort leaving nazis outside of this one shrox


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13 Dec 2011, 2:26 pm

spongy wrote:
Chris chan has taken a break from internet activity, I think it´d be best if we just let him enjoy his break and try to move on.

As some wise person said on another forum we all do stupid things when we are young and this guy just had the bad luck of having his actions broadcasted over the internet.

I think he deserves some of the flack he got but that his bullies went a bit too far(setting him up on fake dates/giving him false hopes about creating a videogame out of sonichu...)

Also I understand that as godwin stated every internet argument eventually ends up comparing the other party to the nazis but please try to make an effort leaving nazis outside of this one shrox


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13 Dec 2011, 2:30 pm

The only clown here is the guy who started talking about nazis...

real imaginative



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15 Dec 2011, 2:41 pm

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:
The only clown here is the guy who started talking about nazis...

real imaginative


Substitute "killer clowns from outer space" if you wish.

If you are hiding from killer clowns from outer space, and someone like CWC thinks it will be funny to start yelling "hey, here we are, over here!", what do you do? I'll even grant you that the person truly does not understand the consequences. At that point, just before the rubber nosed, big panted artists bust down the door to your hiding place, are you going to think sticking by someone like that was such a good idea, or would you wish you'd let him deal with the squirting flowers and endless handkerchiefs on his own?



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15 Dec 2011, 2:51 pm

shrox wrote:
If you are hiding from killer clowns from outer space, and someone like CWC thinks it will be funny to start yelling "hey, here we are, over here!", what do you do? I'll even grant you that the person truly does not understand the consequences. At that point, just before the rubber nosed, big panted artists bust down the door to your hiding place, are you going to think sticking by someone like that was such a good idea, or would you wish you'd let him deal with the squirting flowers and endless handkerchiefs on his own?


You already lost me at approving of bullying. Now you say it is to save your own skin?

Quit with the dumb analogies



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15 Dec 2011, 2:53 pm

If I'm not mistaken, Godwins Law only applies when someone is compared to Nazis, not when hiding from Nazis is used as an analogy.


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15 Dec 2011, 3:02 pm

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If you are hiding from killer clowns from outer space, and someone like CWC thinks it will be funny to start yelling "hey, here we are, over here!", what do you do? I'll even grant you that the person truly does not understand the consequences. At that point, just before the rubber nosed, big panted artists bust down the door to your hiding place, are you going to think sticking by someone like that was such a good idea, or would you wish you'd let him deal with the squirting flowers and endless handkerchiefs on his own?


You already lost me at approving of bullying. Now you say it is to save your own skin?

Quit with the dumb analogies


I never approved bullying, you must be unable to understand context. And no one will answer the question will they? Because real world it tough, thus the very real and very reasonable fear many with AS have about venturing out into it.

Have you ever held a job an high pressure executive environment? I have, and you say I am insensitive to being bullied...I was an art director at Sega, the very company whose characters CWC loves so much.

If you wish, go back over the thread, pull out where I approve of bullying, and post a collection here.

The answer the question? I don't know, maybe knock the person out, at least you won't be discovered, and a bump on the head that saved all your lives is preferable to all being killed. Why is that so hard to admit? Heck, if jingling keys will keep him quiet, do that! The point of the question was, what might you do?



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15 Dec 2011, 3:22 pm

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I never approved bullying, you must be unable to understand context.

Oh no, I think I understand context very fine. From what I can see in the forum you have called him the village idiot, made some mercurial remarks about him being an internet celebrity and posted troll videoes, all the while not batting an eyelid when crazed wackos accuse him of wanting to be bullied

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If you wish, go back over the thread, pull out where I approve of bullying, and post a collection here.
I don't need to rewrite war and peace to satisfy your weird demands. You're the one saying that you should knock him out

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The answer the question? I don't know, maybe knock the person out, at least you won't be discovered, and a bump on the head that saved all your lives is preferable to all being killed. Why is that so hard to admit? Heck, if jingling keys will keep him quiet, do that! The point of the question was, what might you do?

Quit trying to build up some fantasy. All you're doing is making a sympathy case for yourself by accusing him of selling you out



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15 Dec 2011, 4:06 pm

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:
shrox wrote:
I never approved bullying, you must be unable to understand context.

Oh no, I think I understand context very fine. From what I can see in the forum you have called him the village idiot, made some mercurial remarks about him being an internet celebrity and posted troll videoes, all the while not batting an eyelid when crazed wackos accuse him of wanting to be bullied

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If you wish, go back over the thread, pull out where I approve of bullying, and post a collection here.
I don't need to rewrite war and peace to satisfy your weird demands. You're the one saying that you should knock him out

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The answer the question? I don't know, maybe knock the person out, at least you won't be discovered, and a bump on the head that saved all your lives is preferable to all being killed. Why is that so hard to admit? Heck, if jingling keys will keep him quiet, do that! The point of the question was, what might you do?

Quit trying to build up some fantasy. All you're doing is making a sympathy case for yourself by accusing him of selling you out


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Pearls....


I have no idea what's going through your head, but you can't just call someone dead weight to save your hide, otherwise you're just perpetuating bigotry by making it appear valid



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15 Dec 2011, 7:04 pm

Well Chris Chan might be a clown and a fool and probably starting today a person with a criminal record but I'll give him something, his mere existence has spurred a legacy that will probably outlive him.



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16 Dec 2011, 4:12 pm

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:
shrox wrote:
Pearls....


I have no idea what's going through your head, but you can't just call someone dead weight to save your hide, otherwise you're just perpetuating bigotry by making it appear valid


Wow, you completely missed the point. The scenario I mentioned has often been real, but usually involved a crying baby. Do you think they killed the baby? Of course not, one thing they did was use a bit of chloroform or alcohol to quiet the baby. What I asked is what would other readers do in a similar situation? What would you do in a similar situation?