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27 May 2013, 8:07 pm

There was this joker in my high school graduating class who thought he was the class clown. He was more jackass than clown. He was always goading me into buying some cannabis. I was going to collect some grass clippings the next time I mowed the lawn at my home. I was going to clue in the principal at my high school (he's a distant relative) on what i was going to do to get this jackass to back off. If it weren't for the fact my friends and most of my teachers talked me out of doing it, I would have given him a dime bag for free, then see the look on Liz face when he'd rolled the stuff, light it up, and take a drag.



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28 May 2013, 2:06 am

Not entrapment.

Rather, baiting. It's a [too] common form of policing, and it's one I don't agree with.

(Not to mention weed possession and selling is about as much a crime as..., nothing, that's not a crime if we are to use the word "crime" to refer to someone harming others for their own gain.)



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28 May 2013, 3:48 am

This is disgusting. It's a crime because if you want to control somebody, you make something they do illegal. Setting up a kid with Aspergers or not, this "War on Drugs" has to end.

It was probably crappy, Mexican weed too.



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28 May 2013, 6:21 pm

Pileo wrote:
It was probably crappy, Mexican weed too.



It would be SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT for an Aspie to live in Mexico or any other very unstable places. I also loathe Mexico.



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05 Jun 2013, 3:17 pm

When I was a lonely teenager, I would have done (and did do) just about anything to have a "friend."

Including things I did not ordinarily do, like using or helping someone track down drugs.

That's really sick-- The way the article is written, it sounds like the officer hounded the kid for quite some time.

Not only should the kid be cleared. The cop should be fired.

What have we learned, class?? Choose your friends carefully. I recommend quadrupeds.


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08 Jun 2013, 12:51 pm

That family goes through quite enough already. That is so so sad to hear.



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11 Jun 2013, 3:58 am

There was the notorious case in Tulia, Texas where the undercover narcotics agent had people selling him drugs even when they weren't even in Texas at the time of the supposed sale.

I remember reading about one investigation into a narcotics agent when it was discovered that most of the drugs he was "buying" from sellers all had the same strange percentages of impurities. If he couldn't entice you to sell him drugs, he'd just make his own and claim you sold the drugs to him.



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14 Jun 2013, 10:02 am

xenon13 wrote:
Shatbat wrote:
Isn't that entrapment?


In the name of the War on Drugs, everything is justified and all normal rules of civilisation have been suspended, so there's probably some kind of exception there.


In the name of the war on drugs:

from the Ohio state constitution:
§ 18.07 Home rule:
Any municipality may frame and adopt or amend a charter for its government and may, subject to the provisions of section 3 of this article, exercise thereunder all powers of local self-government.

East Cleveland is a Charter city that is granted its authority under the home rule provisions of the Ohio constitution.

East Cleveland has the authority to stop any vehicle that an officer deems has the capability of transporting illegal substances, has the authority to detain indefinitely any individual who has the capability of being involved in the drug trade, and has legal immunity to disregard any of the provisions of the Ohio state constitution in any matters that are deemed by the city council to negatively impact its ability to fight the war on drugs.

Combining the home rule provision with the various acts of congress form the post 9/11 era the city of East Cleveland police force basically has the legal authority to see someone they consider "suspicious" and "detain" them in a jail cell for as long as it takes to get a confession without being forced to grant you your basic human rights. All of this is supposedly a way of "protecting the people" from drugs and the violent crime that causes it.

One more interesting point: the number one crime in East Cleveland for several years running is illegal scrapping operations.


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13 Jan 2014, 2:05 am

The parents of the kid thought he was in a safe school, no gang banger or thug culture to worry about. What they did not know was the school let in a different gang of thugs known as the Riverside County Sheriffs to bully, intimidate and destroy the lives of kids. What it looks like to me is they spent no time investigating anything and picked what a young immature NT cop (almost all police are NT's) saw as the weakest and easiest mark to intimidate. Pretty disgusting if you ask me.

http://reason.com/reasontv/2013/10/09/r ... -teen-into

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t1oVWOlnk8[/youtube]

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJRDhPha-cg&feature=player_profilepage[/youtube]
In this guys videos on his site he shows you how police actually operate, how they profile, how they think, etc.
No I am not advocating become a drug addict or life long pot head but an inside view as to how police really work is invaluable and good info to not winding up a victim.
http://www.policestateusa.com/links/

To me what they did was clear cut entrapment. They high pressured that kid into buy a half joint (street value $1.50) from a homeless guy. Obviously the police knew the homeless guy used weed. But the aspie kid likely would be pretty scared to even approach such a person for any reason. Could you also say the police were "contributing to the delinquency of a minor"



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13 Jan 2014, 10:29 am

It seems pretty clear the cop had a massive lack of judgement, and should have known not to go after a special needs student.



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13 Jan 2014, 3:12 pm

Whats is even more amazing is the school administrators do not see this. If anyone should be doing community service for wrong doing it is the school administrators. Instead the victim is made to pay restitution. The lesson here is the world is not always fair and just. NT group thinking can at times be very unjust.
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13 Jan 2014, 8:43 pm

Meistersinger wrote:
There was this joker in my high school graduating class who thought he was the class clown. He was more jackass than clown. He was always goading me into buying some cannabis. I was going to collect some grass clippings the next time I mowed the lawn at my home. I was going to clue in the principal at my high school (he's a distant relative) on what i was going to do to get this jackass to back off. If it weren't for the fact my friends and most of my teachers talked me out of doing it, I would have given him a dime bag for free, then see the look on Liz face when he'd rolled the stuff, light it up, and take a drag.


I would imagine that he would have known the difference after just smelling it, if not looking at it. Unless the guy had never in his life seen or smelled weed, he wouldn't have smoked any of it.


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14 Jan 2014, 1:58 pm

That's just sick, you'd think the cops would have better things to do than entrap high school kids.


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14 Jan 2014, 3:40 pm

If he bought weed, I don't know if this is good or bad. On the bright side, theres proof that autistic children are reverse manchildren but on the other hand IT'S A KID GETTING HIGH.



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14 Jan 2014, 11:45 pm

Here in the USA, the state of Colorado has made weed outright legal. California is almost surely going to be next. Anyone who wants to buy weed pays a special doctor maybe 75 bucks and a smörgåsbord of weed can be delivered to your door like the pizza man. The under cover cop pushed that kid into buying that half joint from a bum, you would be very hard pressed to give away a half a joint from a bum here in California. I am NOT saying it is ideal for high school kids to be smoking weed.

That kid was made by that undercover cop on the first day of school. There was no investigation, it was a pure setup. He was picked because he was the easiest to pressure. In the first YouTube I put up, retired LAPD Deputy Chief of Police Stephan Downing said they stopped doing this type of thing because they found they were mostly netting special needs kids. It's the same exact thing that is happening with the Riverside County Sheriff. Stephan Downing mentions how the police get more money for arresting more kids. Incentives are very important with police, they are very sensitive to this. It is the reason why they are payed a lot more than security guards, to prevent corruption not because of the job hazards, there are a lot of jobs which are far more dangerous and they pay much less.



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16 Jan 2014, 10:18 am

JoeDaBro wrote:
If he bought weed, I don't know if this is good or bad. On the bright side, theres proof that autistic children are reverse manchildren but on the other hand IT'S A KID GETTING HIGH.



What exactly is a reverse manchild and how does the article prove that is what autistic children are?.....also this has nothing to do with stopping kids from getting high, the kid was presurred to get weed by the undercover cop there is a good chance left to his own devices the kid wouldn't have attempted purchasing weed. All that said even if there are highschool kids smoking what is explained in the article is hardly an appropriate way to deal with it.


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