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AngelRho
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18 Dec 2013, 6:39 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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StuffedMarshmallow wrote:
I think part of the reason it may be so confusing is it has been translated from language to language over a long period of time.

Actually, that's not quite accurate. Most often then Bible has not been translated "from language to language." There are quite a number of ancient manuscripts out there from the original Hebrew, and the oldest surviving copies of individual books from the New Testament (in Greek) date back as early as the 100s. Most translations that I'm aware of didn't follow some labyrinthine progression from Hebrew-Greek-Latin-German-English-modern English. The most reliable translations are from the oldest known manuscripts directly into modern language.

Didn't the Dead Sea Scrolls or some other cache of documents yield a copy of a lot of the Old Testament books from 2nd century BC? I remember it being noted that they had a copy of Isaiah from that period, held it up against the current, and it checked out so close that they didn't need to update or append the newer versions.

Bingo. I mean, there are always going to be SOME variants--which prompts me to ask why the variations were written (agenda driven? An ancient heretical cult?). But for the most part the Old Testament remains the best attested ancient text.

There's evidence, of course, of different versions of Hebrew texts in use even in the 1st century based on New Testament writings. Those versions, I'm assuming possibly a Hebrew-Greek translation LIKE the LXX but perhaps not the LXX we have, seem to have disappeared over time, and we're very fortunate that the Masoretic and LXX were copied as meticulously as they were prior to modern printing methods.



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18 Dec 2013, 7:30 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CccaGaKOlSI[/youtube] 8)


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18 Dec 2013, 8:04 am

Well..taking the bible literally per fundamentalist view..would be ridiculous per the authors that wrote that book..

So seriously per that original intent..of a book that was truly in effect a coded piece of poetry..

That video is no more convincing..than fundamentalist folks that try to reduce that amazing thousands of years old super kool book of coded poetry.....

Into something simplistic...

And well who knows..that flood could still be coming..

Ever heard of meteors friend...

Perhaps it hasn't happened yet....

The bible kinda works that way..with no definitive time or place for poetic coded thoughts in metaphors....

If a big enough meteor hits the earth..there will not be any ark big enough to save the human race..

But yah..some animals will survive..

HUMANS AIN'T THAT SPECIAL compared to really super species like porpoises and whales and such....

Collective intelligence is just an illusion..

Porpoises kNow..those 'folks' are reALLy where IT's@

The spiritual high thing..

if one wills..with ONE

And porpoises got that s**t done..sister..or brother..
sorry haven't checked yOUr gender friend..
but nah..that stuff don't matter to me..

as i am simply androgynous friend...


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18 Dec 2013, 8:48 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I225Vcs3X0g[/youtube] My gender is male! :D


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18 Dec 2013, 9:11 am

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19 Dec 2013, 5:09 pm

Moviefan2k4 wrote:
I have many different reasons for accepting the Bible as history rather than fantasy, but you'd have to point to a specific example for me to elaborate.


I am guessing you don't want your assertion that the bible is "history rather than fantasy" challenged any further. Shame I would have thought you had m fortitude than that. But then your assertion is very easy to disprove so I should not be surprised.


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