27 Mar 2014, 7:26 am
AspE wrote:
Hopper wrote:
AspE wrote:
No, it's not even necessary to lie about it. Reason and logic offends them. Making their beliefs look as silly as they are offends them.
No, it doesn't. Many religious people are quite adept at using reason and logic, and many atheists aren't. It is possible to make any belief look silly.
I'll admit to having a liking for offending bigots, religious or otherwise, including atheists who think not having a belief in God{s} somehow makes them smart. Also those who huff and puff about 'reason' and 'logic' and who are give to scientism.
So basically, anyone who doesn't agree with me.
Religious people can use reason and logic, but they don't apply it to faith, which is belief in something for which there is no evidence. I refer to theism, because religion can be almost anything. It's not bigotry to dislike faith. No one is born with it, it's not immutable. I don't think I'm all that smart, this isn't an ego trip for me, but I do think I can make a case against faith. I stand against it because I think it's a great force for evil in the world. I've been a victim of it, and I don't want anyone else to be.
(I didn't mean to suggest you necessarily thought yourself smarter for being an athiest - I was talking generally. Sorry if it seemed so)
I'm an atheist. I don't believe in God - given my cultural background, this would be the Christian God as represented through the Church of England. But that's it. I don't feel any sense of an almighty deity, nor have I had anything that I would see as a religious or spiritual epiphany. Other people do, and have.
There are many reasons people may have a religious belief. They may have been raised so - but then, people are raised without a religious belief, and atheists don't try and explain away atheism that way. They may have been non-believers who had an epiphany. Any psychological or neurological proposition to explain this away can also explain away a believers loss of faith, of turning from believer to non-believer.
Reason and logic start from an assumption. One's argument can be tight and true and good, yet still be wrong, if the starting point is so. When the starting point - "God exists" - is one of faith, it tends to devolve into people shouting past each other. The same goes for non-religious arguments.
People believe all kinds of s**t that wouldn't necessarily stand up to 'reason' or 'logic', either directly or implicitly. God (!) knows I do.
I disagree with religious people in a similar way I disagree with people of different political or philosophical positions. I consider there are examples of all of these that have done harm in the world, but people could easily point to my own positions and say the same.
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12 Apr 2014, 12:40 pm
Using science to debunk religion is always hilarious because the overly religious folks have a hissy fit and get desperate to try to prove the existence of their magical invisible imaginary friend they come up with lame debunkable excuses and when they get debunks they go in loops over and over again then start slinging out insults and threats of fire and brimstone! This is when you know you won long ago and see the equivelent of a child told that the Easter Bunny isnt real only its an adult. 
13 Apr 2014, 7:08 am
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