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17 Mar 2014, 9:45 am

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The Danish People's party (Dansk Folkeparti) is not fascist.

On immigration issues, it is the party most closely aligned to the average voter in Denmark. If immigration was the only issue at election day, DF could have an absolute majority in the Danish parliament.

There is a common misconception that Denmark "turned to the right" in the 1990's. It did not.

What happened was that the Danish parliament turned to the right, thus approaching the political beliefs of the electorate. Ever since anyone started polling immigration attitudes in Denmark, there has been a massive majority in favour of a strict immigration policy. Due to the inherent weakness of a proportional representation electoral system, however, parliament has been excessively influenced by the Danish Social Liberal Party (Det Radikale Venstre), who has pushed an extremely lax immigration agenda that 7-8 out of 10 Danes are against...

Hahahaha. I also like how DRV winning any seats in the Parliament is "an inherent weakness" in the electoral system. Nope, no fascism here! No sir!

The inherent weakness is that of the pivotal mandate. The Danish parliament has 179 members. The political party which has the 90th mandate has significant power because it is neccessary for any majority coalition to the left or right. Even if this political party is small and has a nonrepresentative policy, it can force parliament to enact these policies by threatening to bring down a government coalition. This is what happened in the 1980s and 1990s, when the DRV held the pivotal mandate. It used this position to enforce an immigration policy which the vast majority of the Danish population was against.

This sparked a significant voter backlash which led to the rise of the Danish People's Party and the tightening of Danish immigration policy after the 2001 election. Now, the DRV has the pivotal mandate - again - and is pushing an immigration policy which the electorate is against - again. However, the current government coalition stands to lose massively in the next election, so we may see a tightening of Danish immigration policy after the next election - again.


Ugh, yeah, I hate it when minorities cobble together enough votes to elect someone who represents their ideals. If only there was some kind of solution to this lack of unity. A final one, perhaps.



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17 Mar 2014, 10:09 am

TheGoggles wrote:
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The Danish People's party (Dansk Folkeparti) is not fascist.

On immigration issues, it is the party most closely aligned to the average voter in Denmark. If immigration was the only issue at election day, DF could have an absolute majority in the Danish parliament.

There is a common misconception that Denmark "turned to the right" in the 1990's. It did not.

What happened was that the Danish parliament turned to the right, thus approaching the political beliefs of the electorate. Ever since anyone started polling immigration attitudes in Denmark, there has been a massive majority in favour of a strict immigration policy. Due to the inherent weakness of a proportional representation electoral system, however, parliament has been excessively influenced by the Danish Social Liberal Party (Det Radikale Venstre), who has pushed an extremely lax immigration agenda that 7-8 out of 10 Danes are against...

Hahahaha. I also like how DRV winning any seats in the Parliament is "an inherent weakness" in the electoral system. Nope, no fascism here! No sir!

The inherent weakness is that of the pivotal mandate. The Danish parliament has 179 members. The political party which has the 90th mandate has significant power because it is neccessary for any majority coalition to the left or right. Even if this political party is small and has a nonrepresentative policy, it can force parliament to enact these policies by threatening to bring down a government coalition. This is what happened in the 1980s and 1990s, when the DRV held the pivotal mandate. It used this position to enforce an immigration policy which the vast majority of the Danish population was against.

This sparked a significant voter backlash which led to the rise of the Danish People's Party and the tightening of Danish immigration policy after the 2001 election. Now, the DRV has the pivotal mandate - again - and is pushing an immigration policy which the electorate is against - again. However, the current government coalition stands to lose massively in the next election, so we may see a tightening of Danish immigration policy after the next election - again.

Ugh, yeah, I hate it when minorities cobble together enough votes to elect someone who represents their ideals. If only there was some kind of solution to this lack of unity. A final one, perhaps.

It would seem that God is the winner of this discussion.



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17 Mar 2014, 11:20 am

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Because the Red-Green Alliance Party is the leftmost party in parliament. It would need to have an absolute majority to hold the 90th mandate, or the parties would have to arrange themselves dramatically across new ideological lines for this party to be pivotal in any major political decisions.


It sounds like extreme left politics does not have a major hold in Denmark, thank goodness.



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17 Mar 2014, 12:04 pm

GGPViper wrote:
TheGoggles wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
TheGoggles wrote:
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The Danish People's party (Dansk Folkeparti) is not fascist.

On immigration issues, it is the party most closely aligned to the average voter in Denmark. If immigration was the only issue at election day, DF could have an absolute majority in the Danish parliament.

There is a common misconception that Denmark "turned to the right" in the 1990's. It did not.

What happened was that the Danish parliament turned to the right, thus approaching the political beliefs of the electorate. Ever since anyone started polling immigration attitudes in Denmark, there has been a massive majority in favour of a strict immigration policy. Due to the inherent weakness of a proportional representation electoral system, however, parliament has been excessively influenced by the Danish Social Liberal Party (Det Radikale Venstre), who has pushed an extremely lax immigration agenda that 7-8 out of 10 Danes are against...

Hahahaha. I also like how DRV winning any seats in the Parliament is "an inherent weakness" in the electoral system. Nope, no fascism here! No sir!

The inherent weakness is that of the pivotal mandate. The Danish parliament has 179 members. The political party which has the 90th mandate has significant power because it is neccessary for any majority coalition to the left or right. Even if this political party is small and has a nonrepresentative policy, it can force parliament to enact these policies by threatening to bring down a government coalition. This is what happened in the 1980s and 1990s, when the DRV held the pivotal mandate. It used this position to enforce an immigration policy which the vast majority of the Danish population was against.

This sparked a significant voter backlash which led to the rise of the Danish People's Party and the tightening of Danish immigration policy after the 2001 election. Now, the DRV has the pivotal mandate - again - and is pushing an immigration policy which the electorate is against - again. However, the current government coalition stands to lose massively in the next election, so we may see a tightening of Danish immigration policy after the next election - again.

Ugh, yeah, I hate it when minorities cobble together enough votes to elect someone who represents their ideals. If only there was some kind of solution to this lack of unity. A final one, perhaps.

It would seem that God is the winner of this discussion.


Gott mit uns.



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17 Mar 2014, 7:01 pm

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I think my vote would be going to DF if I was Danish - certainly, I'd be voting for Morten in the Euros.


UKIP's Danish allies was the June Movement until 2009. They sat in the same group in the European Parliament. Feelings towards DF by members of UKIP is not always positive. Criticisms include statements that the parties are far from equivalents and DF is a party of the populist and reactionary right.



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18 Mar 2014, 12:16 pm

The problem is that the vast majority of the Danes hate and discriminate foreigners, the mentally ill/disadvantaged and the unemployed.

When I say "hate" I actually mean Hate in the sense of: "Get rid of them, at any cost!" and "they deserve the suffer the most horrible of horrible fates, worse than Death Row inmates in Iran".

This is actually how the hatred is towards these groups of people, amongst the Danes.

And that is why I can never forgive my fellow countrymen.

This case pretty much summarize what we are up against:

https://nyhederne.tv2.dk/politik/2014-0 ... l-thailand

A mentally ill woman must be deported to Thailand while her case is reviewed wether she can stay or not, despite that she is
unable to take care of herself and is submitted to a psychiatric hospital.

The Danish Authorities will simply have to drag her out of the hospital, place her in handcuffs, and then fly her away for deportation.

The Danes love it, and want more of it.

I hate my fellow Danes.
I hate them.



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18 Mar 2014, 12:24 pm

I always thought that Denmark was one of the progressive countries that actually had human rights.


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18 Mar 2014, 12:39 pm

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I always thought that Denmark was one of the progressive countries that actually had human rights.


Danes are just humans: When human rights emerges, it is time to tear them down.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt254454.html



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18 Mar 2014, 12:42 pm

That sound horrendous, certainly not what I pictured previously when I thought of that country I figured it was more like scandinavia or iceland or something. Seems like the government really is on the wrong track....as for the poll saying 55% of citizens like it this way what is to say its not a fake poll so people think the majority are ok with it and might be afraid to say they are unhappy wouldn't be surprised based on your post.


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18 Mar 2014, 12:46 pm

Here is some food for thought. It is more than a decade old, but such opinions tend to be somewhat stable, so it may still have some validity:.

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Source: http://www.oecd.org/migration/mig/48328734.pdf (page 119)

A majority in favor of immigration restrictions appears to be the norm, not the exception. In 21 of the 27 countries above, an absolute majority of citizens wanted a restriction on immigration flows to their country in 2003. In *none* of the 27 countries did more than 30 percent of the citizens want to increase immigration flows.



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18 Mar 2014, 12:50 pm

GGPViper wrote:
Here is some food for thought. It is more than a decade old, but such opinions tend to be somewhat stable, so it may still have some validity:.

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Source: http://www.oecd.org/migration/mig/48328734.pdf (page 119)

A majority in favor of immigration restrictions appears to be the norm, not the exception. In 21 of the 27 countries above, an absolute majority of citizens wanted a restriction on immigration flows to their country in 2003. In *none* of the 27 countries did more than 30 percent of the citizens want to increase immigration flows.


I don't want everybody to come up here and live off our welfare society which we enjoy to a great deal, either.

But neither do I want to drag the ill and disabled people out of the hospitals and social institutions to deport them, if there is no good reason.

The fact of the matter is that this case clearly shows that people want to be cruel, just because of the sake of being cruel.

Humans are cruel because cruelty is holiness.



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18 Mar 2014, 12:58 pm

Joke's on Russia, nobody wants to go to that giant, frosty meth lab of a country anyway.



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18 Mar 2014, 1:03 pm

The state I live in dislikes immigrants,even those from the US,like Yankees and Californians.No offense meant to either.


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18 Mar 2014, 1:12 pm

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I always thought that Denmark was one of the progressive countries that actually had human rights.

It is.

This presentation of Denmark as a cauldron of Evil Fascism of Evil Fascists is the product of one WP poster who has a tendency to paint everyone who disagrees with his political position as Evil Fascists of Evil Fascism...



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18 Mar 2014, 1:24 pm

GGPViper wrote:
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I always thought that Denmark was one of the progressive countries that actually had human rights.

It is.

This presentation of Denmark as a cauldron of Evil Fascism of Evil Fascists is the product of one WP poster who has a tendency to paint everyone who disagrees with his political position as Evil Fascists of Evil Fascism...


Wait... isn't dragging ill people out of the hospitals to deport them something that is a fascist tendency?

Is it not cruel/evil to do so?

I think it is. If you don't please argue in favor of dragging ill people out the hospitals who cannot survive on their own, and deporting them.
Please defend your position.

To me, this is something that cannot be defended AT ALL.

Hence, I have my very good reasons for claiming this is FASCISM!



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18 Mar 2014, 1:40 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
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I always thought that Denmark was one of the progressive countries that actually had human rights.

It is.

This presentation of Denmark as a cauldron of Evil Fascism of Evil Fascists is the product of one WP poster who has a tendency to paint everyone who disagrees with his political position as Evil Fascists of Evil Fascism...

Wait... isn't dragging ill people out of the hospitals to deport them something that is a fascist tendency?

Is it not cruel/evil to do so?

I think it is. If you don't please argue in favor of dragging ill people out the hospitals who cannot survive on their own, and deporting them.
Please defend your position.

The link you provided does not document any claim that she is unable to survive on her own (a short reference to *part* of a statement from a psychiatrist is not *evidence*). What is does say is that the the individual in question has no legal right to be in Denmark at this time, and that she will have to wait 6 months before she can return to Denmark.

Seriously, it is bad form to misrepresent news written in Danish on an English-speaking website where the vast majority of members lack proficiency in Danish, and thus are unable to check the validity of your claims...