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thomas81
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16 Apr 2014, 12:09 pm

because it hurts their 'quality of life'.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politi ... ality-life


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16 Apr 2014, 12:13 pm

It's disgusting that they do this now with this country suffering as much as it is



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16 Apr 2014, 12:27 pm

Surely if someone is sleeping in their car it is out of desperation (e.g. they've lost their home)... are they to sleep on park benches instead (briefly) to be moved on by the police to sleep in a shop doorway to be pissed on by the late night drunks? If someone is down on their luck / life why make things even more difficult for them?


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16 Apr 2014, 12:32 pm

TallyMan wrote:
Surely if someone is sleeping in their car it is out of desperation (e.g. they've lost their home)... are they to sleep on park benches instead (briefly) to be moved on by the police to sleep in a shop doorway to be pissed on by the late night drunks? If someone is down on their luck / life why make things even more difficult for them?


do you honestly think the 1 percent think that far ahead?

We aren't talking about rational or reasonable people here.

Their main issue is having their consciences inconvenienced while they roll past the less fortunate in the luxury of their limos.


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16 Apr 2014, 12:33 pm

thomas81 wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
Surely if someone is sleeping in their car it is out of desperation (e.g. they've lost their home)... are they to sleep on park benches instead (briefly) to be moved on by the police to sleep in a shop doorway to be pissed on by the late night drunks? If someone is down on their luck / life why make things even more difficult for them?


do you honestly think the 1 percent think that far ahead?

Their main issue is having their consciences inconvenienced while they roll past the less fortunate in the luxury of their limos.


That 1% should be forced to spend a week living rough to "educate" their opinions.


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16 Apr 2014, 12:37 pm

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thomas81 wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
Surely if someone is sleeping in their car it is out of desperation (e.g. they've lost their home)... are they to sleep on park benches instead (briefly) to be moved on by the police to sleep in a shop doorway to be pissed on by the late night drunks? If someone is down on their luck / life why make things even more difficult for them?


do you honestly think the 1 percent think that far ahead?

Their main issue is having their consciences inconvenienced while they roll past the less fortunate in the luxury of their limos.


That 1% should be forced to spend a week living rough to "educate" their opinions.


They should, but thats not going to happen.

Change will only happen in America when the masses wake up and admit that they aren't even an afterthought in the eyes of the plutocracy. Sadly that wont happen cause y'know, 'Murica.


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16 Apr 2014, 12:47 pm

Haven't they got enough real crimes to worry about in the US? Do their courts really want to be burdened with these petty issues quite apart from the stupidity of trying to ban people from sleeping in their own cars? Let's get real - it's not to protect the homeless from being crime victims or anything like that. It's just trying to make people "criminals" that do not deserve it. Besides, how would they pay any fines?

Things need to change. We need more compassion in government. Is that a pipe dream? The US people need to see how their freedoms are slowly taken away by introducing intrusive legislation.



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16 Apr 2014, 12:48 pm

Yea, people aren't sleeping in cars because they're cheap. They're doing it because they have to and a car not only can provide shelter from the elements, it provides them security for themselves and the few possessions they do have. There are a lot of cold-hearted just straight up mean people in this country it seems.



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16 Apr 2014, 12:55 pm

Sometimes i feel half tempted to invest in buying an old motorhome incase I end up homeless!


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16 Apr 2014, 1:03 pm

There is a complete sub- culture of people who live in vans. Web communities. Videos on converting vans to small living spaces. Tutorials on "stealth sleeping". How-to videos and illustrated guides to installing flexible solar panels on the roof and wiring of miniature electrical systems with marine batteries. Even single women in their late 50's and 60's living like this for economical reason. I lived out of my car for a year in Florida.



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16 Apr 2014, 1:17 pm

What a shower of bastards.

TallyMan wrote:
Surely if someone is sleeping in their car it is out of desperation (e.g. they've lost their home)... are they to sleep on park benches instead (briefly) to be moved on by the police to sleep in a shop doorway to be pissed on by the late night drunks? If someone is down on their luck / life why make things even more difficult for them?


The UK seems to have a thing now that any new public seating is designed so as it can't be slept on. Unfortunately, this tends to make for uncomfortable benches that, really, you can only kind of perch your arse on, rather than sit in any kind of restful way. Oh, and any area under a bridge or elevated road or such where the homeless might try and shelter will have lots of pointy cobblestones. Because we can't have the homeless luxuriating on benches or under bridges that they haven't paid for.

[img][800:1199]http://nudges.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/anti-loiter-bench.jpg[/img]

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16 Apr 2014, 1:23 pm

Hopper wrote:
What a shower of bastards.

TallyMan wrote:
Surely if someone is sleeping in their car it is out of desperation (e.g. they've lost their home)... are they to sleep on park benches instead (briefly) to be moved on by the police to sleep in a shop doorway to be pissed on by the late night drunks? If someone is down on their luck / life why make things even more difficult for them?


The UK seems to have a thing now that any new public seating is designed so as it can't be slept on. Unfortunately, this tends to make for uncomfortable benches that, really, you can only kind of perch your arse on, rather than sit in any kind of restful way. Oh, and any area under a bridge or elevated road or such where the homeless might try and shelter will have lots of pointy cobblestones. Because we can't have the homeless luxuriating on benches or under bridges that they haven't paid for.

[img][800:1199]http://nudges.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/anti-loiter-bench.jpg[/img]

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This is pretty hideous and disgusting.



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16 Apr 2014, 1:36 pm

Those pictures are horrible! I never thought of it, but there are benches around here that have the seat elevation the wrong way, so you'll have to lean on your legs to sit. If you were to lie on them, you'd fall off.



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16 Apr 2014, 1:38 pm

I agree with Khaoz. They are wasting public money on these unnecessary devices that make the benches and the bridge look ugly and unwelcoming, just because of "homeless paranoia". In fact, you can't even shelter comfortably under that bridge during a brief shower of rain!

I must have somehow got his avatar mixed up with Misslizard's... not sure how. :oops:



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16 Apr 2014, 1:42 pm

I recall in Florida that tourists could come and lay out on the beach on their towels sleeping all day long and not be bothered, but if a homeless person were to be asleep out there at night when no tourists are in sight, they would be rudely awakened and told to move on. It was only in the parking lots of the beachside nightclubs that I would be left alone by the police sleeping in my car. I guess there were just too many cars to investigate into all of them what with people to drunk to drive having left many cars in the parking lot also.



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16 Apr 2014, 1:52 pm

thomas81 wrote:
because it hurts their 'quality of life'.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politi ... ality-life

That article doesn't seem consistent with the headline. What does any of this have to do with the infamous "1%"? The laws are being made by politicians, not the 1%.