Man with Aspergers gets murdered, killer gets 4 years.
24 Jul 2014, 7:17 pm
kcizzle wrote:
Unfortunately there are lots of random acts of violence in the UK, most of them alcohol or drug fuelled but a lot just because someone snaps. I don't think people should be afraid they're being targeted as I doubt this guy had any idea what autism was. The story here is that the victim said something racist to the guy on the bike who had walked away and his criminal friend took offence and punched him. It is pretty common here for some guy to take offence at something and start lashing out, but unfortunately in this case it ended in death.
Last year I watched some university students walking down our main road after a night out so probably drunk. Out of the blue, the guy in front turns round and punches the guy behind him and knocks him out. I've also been driving in snow when some kids (about 11 yrs old) start pelting our cars with snowballs at a red light. The guy two cars in front jumps out of his car and chases them down, grabs one of the kids and starts kicking the crap out of him before some passers by stop him. Then we had the "happy slapping" phenomenon that swept the nation a couple of years ago where teens would target a random person and film themselves punching them and running away or beating them up and post it on social media. Until the consequences of assault are higher, this kind of thing will continue to happen.
Last year I watched some university students walking down our main road after a night out so probably drunk. Out of the blue, the guy in front turns round and punches the guy behind him and knocks him out. I've also been driving in snow when some kids (about 11 yrs old) start pelting our cars with snowballs at a red light. The guy two cars in front jumps out of his car and chases them down, grabs one of the kids and starts kicking the crap out of him before some passers by stop him. Then we had the "happy slapping" phenomenon that swept the nation a couple of years ago where teens would target a random person and film themselves punching them and running away or beating them up and post it on social media. Until the consequences of assault are higher, this kind of thing will continue to happen.
honestly, if thats why he did it then the punishment should be even lighter. i don't think i want to see a black guy get sent to prison for life because he retaliated after someone called him a n***er. if anything he's a f*****g folk hero.
Last edited by the-comander on 24 Jul 2014, 7:29 pm, edited 2 times in total.
24 Jul 2014, 9:02 pm
the-comander wrote:
kcizzle wrote:
Unfortunately there are lots of random acts of violence in the UK, most of them alcohol or drug fuelled but a lot just because someone snaps. I don't think people should be afraid they're being targeted as I doubt this guy had any idea what autism was. The story here is that the victim said something racist to the guy on the bike who had walked away and his criminal friend took offence and punched him. It is pretty common here for some guy to take offence at something and start lashing out, but unfortunately in this case it ended in death.
Last year I watched some university students walking down our main road after a night out so probably drunk. Out of the blue, the guy in front turns round and punches the guy behind him and knocks him out. I've also been driving in snow when some kids (about 11 yrs old) start pelting our cars with snowballs at a red light. The guy two cars in front jumps out of his car and chases them down, grabs one of the kids and starts kicking the crap out of him before some passers by stop him. Then we had the "happy slapping" phenomenon that swept the nation a couple of years ago where teens would target a random person and film themselves punching them and running away or beating them up and post it on social media. Until the consequences of assault are higher, this kind of thing will continue to happen.
Last year I watched some university students walking down our main road after a night out so probably drunk. Out of the blue, the guy in front turns round and punches the guy behind him and knocks him out. I've also been driving in snow when some kids (about 11 yrs old) start pelting our cars with snowballs at a red light. The guy two cars in front jumps out of his car and chases them down, grabs one of the kids and starts kicking the crap out of him before some passers by stop him. Then we had the "happy slapping" phenomenon that swept the nation a couple of years ago where teens would target a random person and film themselves punching them and running away or beating them up and post it on social media. Until the consequences of assault are higher, this kind of thing will continue to happen.
honestly, if thats why he did it then the punishment should be even lighter. i don't think i want to see a black guy get sent to prison for life because he retaliated after someone called him a n***er. if anything he's a f*****g folk hero.
Whether it was provoked or not, he should do time for manslaughter. He killed somebody. That family will never get their son back.
Also, something to consider- even if he said that racial slur, isn't it possible that he could have also had Tourette's, making it not even intentional? I don't feel comfortable with a kid who's brazen enough to kill someone who was obviously deficient.
25 Jul 2014, 2:26 pm
Agrestic wrote:
the-comander wrote:
kcizzle wrote:
Unfortunately there are lots of random acts of violence in the UK, most of them alcohol or drug fuelled but a lot just because someone snaps. I don't think people should be afraid they're being targeted as I doubt this guy had any idea what autism was. The story here is that the victim said something racist to the guy on the bike who had walked away and his criminal friend took offence and punched him. It is pretty common here for some guy to take offence at something and start lashing out, but unfortunately in this case it ended in death.
Last year I watched some university students walking down our main road after a night out so probably drunk. Out of the blue, the guy in front turns round and punches the guy behind him and knocks him out. I've also been driving in snow when some kids (about 11 yrs old) start pelting our cars with snowballs at a red light. The guy two cars in front jumps out of his car and chases them down, grabs one of the kids and starts kicking the crap out of him before some passers by stop him. Then we had the "happy slapping" phenomenon that swept the nation a couple of years ago where teens would target a random person and film themselves punching them and running away or beating them up and post it on social media. Until the consequences of assault are higher, this kind of thing will continue to happen.
Last year I watched some university students walking down our main road after a night out so probably drunk. Out of the blue, the guy in front turns round and punches the guy behind him and knocks him out. I've also been driving in snow when some kids (about 11 yrs old) start pelting our cars with snowballs at a red light. The guy two cars in front jumps out of his car and chases them down, grabs one of the kids and starts kicking the crap out of him before some passers by stop him. Then we had the "happy slapping" phenomenon that swept the nation a couple of years ago where teens would target a random person and film themselves punching them and running away or beating them up and post it on social media. Until the consequences of assault are higher, this kind of thing will continue to happen.
honestly, if thats why he did it then the punishment should be even lighter. i don't think i want to see a black guy get sent to prison for life because he retaliated after someone called him a n***er. if anything he's a f*****g folk hero.
Whether it was provoked or not, he should do time for manslaughter. He killed somebody. That family will never get their son back.
Also, something to consider- even if he said that racial slur, isn't it possible that he could have also had Tourette's, making it not even intentional? I don't feel comfortable with a kid who's brazen enough to kill someone who was obviously deficient.
what kind of message are we sending if we imprison a black guy for life after retaliating against racial discrimination? i mean i honestly don't give a f**k if the kid had turrets, i still don't think this man should get life.
25 Jul 2014, 6:28 pm
the-comander wrote:
Agrestic wrote:
the-comander wrote:
kcizzle wrote:
Unfortunately there are lots of random acts of violence in the UK, most of them alcohol or drug fuelled but a lot just because someone snaps. I don't think people should be afraid they're being targeted as I doubt this guy had any idea what autism was. The story here is that the victim said something racist to the guy on the bike who had walked away and his criminal friend took offence and punched him. It is pretty common here for some guy to take offence at something and start lashing out, but unfortunately in this case it ended in death.
Last year I watched some university students walking down our main road after a night out so probably drunk. Out of the blue, the guy in front turns round and punches the guy behind him and knocks him out. I've also been driving in snow when some kids (about 11 yrs old) start pelting our cars with snowballs at a red light. The guy two cars in front jumps out of his car and chases them down, grabs one of the kids and starts kicking the crap out of him before some passers by stop him. Then we had the "happy slapping" phenomenon that swept the nation a couple of years ago where teens would target a random person and film themselves punching them and running away or beating them up and post it on social media. Until the consequences of assault are higher, this kind of thing will continue to happen.
Last year I watched some university students walking down our main road after a night out so probably drunk. Out of the blue, the guy in front turns round and punches the guy behind him and knocks him out. I've also been driving in snow when some kids (about 11 yrs old) start pelting our cars with snowballs at a red light. The guy two cars in front jumps out of his car and chases them down, grabs one of the kids and starts kicking the crap out of him before some passers by stop him. Then we had the "happy slapping" phenomenon that swept the nation a couple of years ago where teens would target a random person and film themselves punching them and running away or beating them up and post it on social media. Until the consequences of assault are higher, this kind of thing will continue to happen.
honestly, if thats why he did it then the punishment should be even lighter. i don't think i want to see a black guy get sent to prison for life because he retaliated after someone called him a n***er. if anything he's a f*****g folk hero.
Whether it was provoked or not, he should do time for manslaughter. He killed somebody. That family will never get their son back.
Also, something to consider- even if he said that racial slur, isn't it possible that he could have also had Tourette's, making it not even intentional? I don't feel comfortable with a kid who's brazen enough to kill someone who was obviously deficient.
what kind of message are we sending if we imprison a black guy for life after retaliating against racial discrimination? i mean i honestly don't give a f**k if the kid had turrets, i still don't think this man should get life.
That violence isn't the answer; that there are ways to counteract discrimination without putting someone six feet under.
Whether or not he gets life would be arguable; because that certainly is a mitigating factor. But 4 years seems a little light for killing anyone.
25 Jul 2014, 8:54 pm
the-comander wrote:
what kind of message are we sending if we imprison a black guy for life after retaliating against racial discrimination? i mean i honestly don't give a f**k if the kid had turrets, i still don't think this man should get life.
"Because he said something racist" is too convenient to be true, and simply can't justify murder.
Never have I seen a murder case, where the killer gets only 4 years. The light sentence sends a message loud and clear: It's not a big deal to murder AS people.
25 Jul 2014, 9:01 pm
Moromillas wrote:
the-comander wrote:
what kind of message are we sending if we imprison a black guy for life after retaliating against racial discrimination? i mean i honestly don't give a f**k if the kid had turrets, i still don't think this man should get life.
"Because he said something racist" is too convenient to be true, and simply can't justify murder.
Never have I seen a murder case, where the killer gets only 4 years. The light sentence sends a message loud and clear: It's not a big deal to murder AS people.
id argue that the message is that black people aren't going to be sent to jail for fighting discrimination. i think that the message is more one of not wanting to oppress some parts of the population then anything. i think he probably deserves to go to jail but i think that it is more important that we give people the message that doing this kind of thing isn't okay. i think thats what they were thinking. sending a black guy to jail for life for why on some level was standing up for his rights isn't something i want to see happen. i don't think that his unusually light sentence actually has anything to do with the victim and has everything to do with the events leading up to it. i think the guy could have been running through the street but naked and the same verdict would have been reached.
you have to understand that autism isn't nearly as big a social issue on most peoples radar as race is nor have the injustices ever been nearly as bad. no one crosses the street when they see you.
25 Jul 2014, 9:30 pm
the-comander wrote:
id argue that the message is that black people aren't going to be sent to jail for fighting discrimination. i think that the message is more one of not wanting to oppress some parts of the population then anything. i think he probably deserves to go to jail but i think that it is more important that we give people the message that doing this kind of thing isn't okay. i think thats what they were thinking. sending a black guy to jail for life for why on some level was standing up for his rights isn't something i want to see happen. i don't think that his unusually light sentence actually has anything to do with the victim and has everything to do with the events leading up to it. i think the guy could have been running through the street but naked and the same verdict would have been reached.
Well, as the accused "racist" is not around anymore to contest this, they can pretty much make up whatever they want. They could make up a story about how he threatened their family, how he was telling them all about twilight, or in this case, was saying racist stuff. In reality, this is 100% BS used to justify their actions, which in this case is murder. Criminals do this all the time, turn around and make something up to try and justify what they did, I'm sure if there wasn't a camera there, he would have said "He then became violent and lashed out for no reason! So, I just had to murder him in broad daylight." This s**t doesn't fly when the victim in NT, people don't get 4 years for murder.
25 Jul 2014, 9:45 pm
Moromillas wrote:
the-comander wrote:
id argue that the message is that black people aren't going to be sent to jail for fighting discrimination. i think that the message is more one of not wanting to oppress some parts of the population then anything. i think he probably deserves to go to jail but i think that it is more important that we give people the message that doing this kind of thing isn't okay. i think thats what they were thinking. sending a black guy to jail for life for why on some level was standing up for his rights isn't something i want to see happen. i don't think that his unusually light sentence actually has anything to do with the victim and has everything to do with the events leading up to it. i think the guy could have been running through the street but naked and the same verdict would have been reached.
Well, as the accused "racist" is not around anymore to contest this, they can pretty much make up whatever they want. They could make up a story about how he threatened their family, how he was telling them all about twilight, or in this case, was saying racist stuff. In reality, this is 100% BS used to justify their actions, which in this case is murder. Criminals do this all the time, turn around and make something up to try and justify what they did, I'm sure if there wasn't a camera there, he would have said "He then became violent and lashed out for no reason! So, I just had to murder him in broad daylight." This sh** doesn't fly when the victim in NT, people don't get 4 years for murder.
there were witnesses i think that if someone could figure out what they said then we would have a pretty clear picture wouldn't we? the point is that this is less about him and the victim and more about media messages. sending a black guy to jail under these circumstances would send a less then favorable message to the general populace.
25 Jul 2014, 10:08 pm
the-comander wrote:
there were witnesses i think that if someone could figure out what they said then we would have a pretty clear picture wouldn't we? the point is that this is less about him and the victim and more about media messages. sending a black guy to jail under these circumstances would send a less then favorable message to the general populace.
The people that casually walked away from his corpse? You've going to depend on those guys for accurate information? No, there isn't going to be an outcry of racism for locking up a murder.
the-comander wrote:
you have to understand that autism isn't nearly as big a social issue on most peoples radar as race is nor have the injustices ever been nearly as bad. no one crosses the street when they see you.
Those injustices don't exist in the first world anymore. You what? I get it all the time, people look at you like you have three heads. When you have to talk to people such as these, they're not comfortable having a conversation, they don't want you around.
25 Jul 2014, 10:39 pm
Moromillas wrote:
the-comander wrote:
there were witnesses i think that if someone could figure out what they said then we would have a pretty clear picture wouldn't we? the point is that this is less about him and the victim and more about media messages. sending a black guy to jail under these circumstances would send a less then favorable message to the general populace.
The people that casually walked away from his corpse? You've going to depend on those guys for accurate information? No, there isn't going to be an outcry of racism for locking up a murder.
the-comander wrote:
you have to understand that autism isn't nearly as big a social issue on most peoples radar as race is nor have the injustices ever been nearly as bad. no one crosses the street when they see you.
Those injustices don't exist in the first world anymore. You what? I get it all the time, people look at you like you have three heads. When you have to talk to people such as these, they're not comfortable having a conversation, they don't want you around.
fair enough, maybe I'm defending the wrong people.
31 Jul 2014, 7:46 am
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You what? I get it all the time, people look at you like you have three heads. When you have to talk to people such as these, they're not comfortable having a conversation, they don't want you around
I think that drills down to the heart of the matter. People are "uncomfortable" around those on the spectrum even though spectrumites have done nothing wrong. Because of these, we don't get the benefit of the doubt in many situations, including this one.
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