Did Elliot Rodger have Asperger's?
True.
I don't know why people act like autism can't be co-morbid with narcissism or mental illness. I get that nobody wants to be tarred with the same brush as Roger Elliot, but he was one in a million anyway - in a bad way. It goes without saying that very, very few autistics will ever harm another person, but I feel like I need to say it anyway, so that people don't go all defensive when I say that I believe that ER was on the spectrum.
He came across as autistic in his videos. And his manifesto reads like a checklist of autism traits - minus the crazy. In truth, I could identify with so much of what he wrote; even, I am afraid, the anger. I've worked hard on my rage issues over the past few years and have been very lucky to have a small number of online folks I can say anything to. But people in general don't seem to realise how profoundly bullying can affect you. I knew a guy who got a diagnosis of Asperger's in his late 20s, and he had nearly as much rage as ER did. Not against women, but against the society he lived in; he sometimes wrote detailed, violent fantasies and seemed to have an interest in school shootings. Note that this guy was very severely bullied in school - physically and mentally.
I was in the difficult position of actually being an admin and having the ability to delete or edit his posts. I did neither. I let him express his rage, uncensored. On the whole I don't think I ever thought he was seriously going to do anything - apart from perhaps once, where I did begin to have doubts that maybe, just maybe, he was capable of picking up a gun and going on a shooting spree. The moment passed. Last time I spoke to him, which was a couple of years ago, he seemed calmer and better within himself.
I reckon it's important to see rage as having a valid basis and at least try to understand the angry person's viewpoint, unless it's face-to-face and you are being physically threatened (in which case, make your escape ASAP). But if it's just words from behind a screen, then there's no physical threat to your being: you can afford to take on board what they have to say without feeling scared.
This ^^
There are SO many people with asperger who can relate to ER's backstory. Maybe his obsessions with sex and status was just his 'thing' altho for 99,9999% of the people it is psycho. Maybe he did really felt inferior on a fundamental level (look at the skateboard / motorskill part when he was younger in his manifesto ) but tried to camouflage that by acting superior or trying to get a high status. Is there really a difference between that and someone with autism who is obsessed with trains or collecting small cars?
He did have some clear AS characteristics like i have posted earlier in this topic. The monotonic voice in his videos on his channel and his backstory does point it towards AS. Does that mean every person with AS is dangerous? ofcourse not. He was just a unique person who picked out the wrong card in life in terms of mental health, did not get raised up properly, never get to talk about sexual stuff, became trapped in a vicious cycle that fueled his hate towards society and snapped.
Blaming this on autism is like saying neurotypical humans are very dangerous too when you look into the history of schoolshootings. With that idea in mind, anyone who got bullied and had a rough upbringing is a potentional hazard if you think about that, which is absolute BS. hundreds of thousands of children get to experience the same hell at school every day. Some with autism, some neurotypical.. if there was any link to be made, there would be ALOT more schoolshootings by now.
Ofcourse he did had a very toxic combination.. With autism you are more prone to routines and obsessive thinking. Woman and sex becoming your obession is a very dangerous thing already even without autism. In addition to that, he had clear symptoms of narcissism and sociopathy.. it kinda sucks to get multiple psychiatric disorders but i guess it can happen.
There are some reactions on youtube that made me laugh tho.. not because i think its funny what happened to him or the people that he killed, but the ignorance is just too damn high.
Stuff like "I would gladly suck his *** and get rid of his fustrations if it would've saved the people he killed"
I mean, c'mon, it is obvious that even in a relationship this type of guy would either stalk the **** out of his girlfriend or severely beatup / kill his girlfriend is she ever filed in for a divorce since he is the alpha and no one disobeys him.
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His father Peter kept challenging the diagnosis
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Anyway, in the book the author gained access to Eric Harris's manifesto, notebook, etc. This guy's manifesto was pretty much a copy Eric's. Eric too tried to lose his virginity (and failed) and then after that went on the rampage. The only main difference between the two is that Eric seemed to be able to hide his sociopathic tendencies more.
So no, I don't think that Rodger had Asperger's, I think he was a sociopath. Also, he was obviously a Red Sox fan because he was very twisted.
I've read it. Anyways, a sociopath is someone who has developed psychopathy through the environment rather than birth. Additionally, rampage shooting isn't a common trait for a real psychopath/sociopath. Rodger wouldn't fit the defintion for a psychopathy until after his rampage anyways. Psychopathy/sociopathy is not a psychological term, but a criminological one. Unless he had many encounters with the law, then he doesn't fit the criteria.
Eric's part in the shooting also had very little to do with his virginity. It was another brick in the wall. He had a girlfriend who broke up with him because he was still in highschool. Both were able to hide their "sociopathic tendencies" well enough to hide it in front of psychologists. Additionally, I don't think sociopathic tendencies explain their methods, for example, they allegedly encountered a kid being bullied and they let him live after shooting his oppressors.
We have built a culture that nearly deifies and glorifies the shooters as much as it condemns them. I don't think that oversimplifying them as being merely evil does any good for anyone.
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ASPD is the diagnostic term not psychopath/sociopath. Someone can be diagnosed with ASPD without having arrests and/or a criminal record of any kind.
Also remember the person labeling Elliot as aspergers/autistic was the guy's mom. And his mom is likely the first person who's going to be biased about his "diagnosis". She probably would never have said her own son was a sociopath whether she actually thought he was one or not.
ASPD is the diagnostic term not psychopath/sociopath. Someone can be diagnosed with ASPD without having arrests and/or a criminal record of any kind.
Also remember the person labeling Elliot as aspergers/autistic was the guy's mom. And his mom is likely the first person who's going to be biased about his "diagnosis". She probably would never have said her own son was a sociopath whether she actually thought he was one or not.
A great way for her to distance herself from Elliot... That's what I see. I always felt like she simply used autism/aspergers as a way to wash her hands clean.
Delusions are in no way symptomatic of autism, nor has anybody claimed that autistic people are never delusional. However, they are evidence for psychosis.
Basic logic:
1) Elliot Rodger had delusions
2) Some autistic people have delusions
C) Therefore, Elliot Rodger was autistic
That doesn't follow, and one could easily sub "autistic" for "non-autistic" or "was/are American" for "had/have delusions".
1) Elliot Rodger had delusions
2) Delusions are symptomatic of psychosis
C) Therefore, Elliot Rodger had symptoms of psychosis
That follows.
I've seen nothing here to indicate he was diagnosed. Unless we have a psychologist/psychiatrist here, it's irresponsible to draw that conclusion. If we do have a professional here who can diagnose, I ask what knowledge of him you have, because I'm pretty sure news articles aren't enough to make a diagnoses. This isn't denial, it's just distinguishing between speculation and fact.
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I doubt Rodger had Asperger's. Autism and sociopathy can be difficult to differentiate during childhood, which is when his parents initially considered HFA as a diagnosis. As a teenager he regularly visited psychiatrists but was never diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome. Obviously, this suggests he was not autistic.
In saying that, there is a link between Asperger's and sociopathy. The environment in which high functioning autistic children are raised is one in which personality disorders often develop. Several bad people had/probably had Asperger's, but they obviously had other issues. For example
-Jeffrey Dahmer (Anti-Social, Borderline)
-Adam Lanza (Schizophrenia)
-Ted Bundy (Narcissistic, Anti-Social)
By the way, BPD doesn't make you kill people, but it is similar in respect to Asperger's because it is common in sociopaths
In saying that, there is a link between Asperger's and sociopathy. The environment in which high functioning autistic children are raised is one in which personality disorders often develop. Several bad people had/probably had Asperger's, but they obviously had other issues. For example
-Jeffrey Dahmer (Anti-Social, Borderline)
-Adam Lanza (Schizophrenia)
-Ted Bundy (Narcissistic, Anti-Social)
By the way, BPD doesn't make you kill people, but it is similar in respect to Asperger's because it is common in sociopaths
Ted Bundy probably had Aspergers???
HELL NO! Mr Bundy had excellent social skills and was charming, charismatic, and suave. I honestly don't know or care that much about Jeffrey Dahmer but in any case, even if Elliott Rodger had autism.....It's pretty clear he had something else that was far more serious and dangerous.
BPD doesn't always make afflicted individuals violent, but it certainly DOES make violent behavior far more likely as does Bipolar and Schizophrenia.
I've read his manifesto, and other than the superiority complex, I was able to relate to him scarily well. The feeling that everyone except you is in relationships, the anger one can feel when seeing people in happy relationships, not knowing how to go about finding a relationship...I know exactly how he felt, and I've experienced that misogyny before. It was definitely unfortunate that he was born into a wealthy family and had everything handed to him, leading to him gaining a sense of superiority and entitlement.
But as for the question, yes, I wholeheartedly believe he had Asperger's, along with some other problems.
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