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My very first posts in the whole Zimmerman debacle were expressing my opinion that it looked like a bad shoot from what little info was available, and progressed from there as more evidence came to light, unlike the people who jumped to conclusions and then refused to budge from them despite all evidence to the contrary. Unless you have a citation for this claim about me, I'm going to have to ask you to retract it, and refrain from mischaracterizing me in the future. If you do not want people to call you a liar, it helps not to lie about them.

I never called you a liar - you are mischaracterizing me. Rather, I have accused you of being blinded by ideology and pride - and I freely admit to resembling that remark, myself.

I didn't say you called me a liar, I'm calling you one, as you said that I'd come out in favor of Zimmerman because of the gun issue, which is completely untrue, as is borne out by me pointing out that I was initially leaning against Zimmerman, and only came around when the evidence started to support his story, as is clearly documented in the threads. You also never presented any evidence of me being "blinded by ideology and pride", and when I say things like that about you, I back them up.

As I said, I never once called you a liar, and so I really wish you wouldn't call me one.
I admit, our intellectual sparring has gotten way too personal, and I regret that. For the sake of any amiability, I hereby refuse to carry on this discussion. If I offended you, I apologize, as I realize it's best I forgive any hurt feelings you have caused me. I think it's time for both of us to step back and take a breather.

I'm okay with stepping back, we're way off topic anyway, but I really want you to understand why I'm so angry, which is that you keep making statements about me that not only aren't true, but are provably not true, such as this Zimmerman accusation. What am I supposed to make of it when you say something about me that is so false that I can't believe you really believe it? I could care less that you disagree with me politically, I live in Seattle, I'm used to it, it's how you're choosing to do it, by misrepresenting me, that I'm having such a problem with here.

Needs moar (to be epic):


crips and bloods doing drive bys (hitting everyone but their target)
drone launched Hellfire missiles on the cars doing the drive bys
NG with M1 Garands (hitting all the iphone media; you know they're just college hippies)
mustard gas (hitting everyone)
broken down NG Humvees (with an irate lieutenant saying nothing is going to happen until they're fixed)
the ghost of MLK hovering over the place weeping
KKK eating in the McDonald's store

I don't know what firing on peaceful protesters has to do with Waco and Ruby Ridge, though

Last edited by Stannis on 20 Aug 2014, 3:53 pm, edited 4 times in total.

If I misremembered your stance on George Zimmerman, it was hardly intentional.

(Shakes head) Somehow the subject came up - perhaps even by me trying to make a point - and an unresolved conflict was reignited.
But here's a poignant joke: Why are dead Aspies buried with their head above ground?
Answer: Because out heads are harder than tombstones!
And that's why we get into these endless arguments.

I just got notice that this thread doesn't exist, anymore. Obviously it does.

That if the Feds were involved they'd really fire on the protesters (lead, not silly rubber stuff), cover it up, and get medals?

Bundled to save space:

Agreed, but the way they did it in this case was entrapment.
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? I?m not defending the Weavers politics and religious beliefs (although they are protected under the same laws that protect you and I, like it or not) but I am condemning the acts of multiple federal LE agencies from the federal investigation up to the botched recon mission and the ensuing ?special? rules of engagement. That?s what this is about.

? Bonners Ferry is what, about 100 give or take miles from you? People like myself who live in more densely populated areas have had all kinds of nutty s**t take place (and still takes place) within 100 miles of them but they don?t claim to have ?lived through it? or necessarily harp on it. It?s a crazy and diverse country.


You need to stop that /\
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Okay with entrapment? The hits just keep on comin?????.
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It?s germane to this thread since both are about police abuse. Ruby Ridge has come up at least three times including this one with the same players. It?ll come up again.

I grew up in a left-wing family, so I didn't have any sympathy for the Waco/Ruby Ridge crowd back then. From that perspective the Brown killing does seem similar: Why would you have any sympathy for this thug? Why would you trust his lookout during the robbery to tell you the truth? How are the looters who used this as an excuse to attack innocent people any more justified than Timothy McVeigh (who used Waco and Ruby Ridge for the same purpose)?

Regarding the racial angle: The store owner doesn't appear to be white in the video, but you won't know because he's too afraid of reprisals to come forward:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08 ... customers/

His lawyer begged the rioters not to sack his store, which they promptly did (after they sacked another store in confusion). And if you're mad about the sheriff refusing to name the cop, what about the store owner - who really had nothing to do with it - still in hiding? He was already reduced to saying 'I didn?t call the police, I didn?t ask the police to come and take the video.' Why should a guy who's been attacked and robbed have to be afraid of calling for help? And how can you trust the eye-witness testimony when rioters terrorize an innocent guy for speaking up?

Now they are grabbing up reporters.What happened to freedom of the press?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/1 ... ail=email#

I'm pretty sure the Press have to obey orders to disperse from the streets in the same way as anyone else.

Whether it's "right" or not is up to you. I don't think Press should have any specific privileged compared to the common citizen.

No, I don't have an agenda... .

I wonder if they care about being parlay to inciting riots [among the emotive people in the area and outside] via reporting with specific connotations. They should probably turn themselves in for that if they had integrity (no wait, they wouldn't do it to begin with).

When you start arresting the press it looks like there's something to hide.Maybe they don't want people taking pictures of police harassing those who are peacefully protesting,not everyone there is looting.
The public has a right to know what's happening.
As for the young man that was killed,he was guilty of being a teenager,they do stupid stuff.No reason to get shot to death unarmed.If he had been a white teenager in a well to do white suburb,do you honestly think the cop would have shot him?Most likely not,then it could have been a lawyers or doctors kid.
Cops threatening a reporter with bodily harm.
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/show ... SocialFlow
Cops have no right to seize anyone's camera or phone.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/1 ... tail=email