Giants in Antiquity

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Hmm I see what you guys are saying (you and AspE and others) I respect it I try to concel it with science and religion XD . and as you asked what evidence do I have , first of all you can belive in what you want, im just giving an other side of the coin here okay ? XD The fact that our brain is wired to belive. We have to belive in something even if its not God we belive in us, we have this principals (principles? dont mind me english is not my native language) and we try to live by them, religion is the same, humanism is like a religon too even thogh people dont like to admit it ... XD And there are actuly studies on that go search for dr newberg.

As for the sanakes XDD well since the text says it was a normal snake and then satan took it over and start to talk by her .... I take it literaly but now that you mention it i did read somewhere (Ellen G. White one of her books I think) that Eve got suprised that she was talking so...maybe she didnt realy talk it was more like ...a mirical? XD

And thats that.
Those where my ideias i hade a good debate here

It is just mythology, no more real than the tales of Zeus or Odysseus.

They could have said the same thing about the Egyptians and yet look. They are portrayed as regular sized.

Don't discount race and genocide just yet. We all know humans are quite capable of targeting a group and then attempting to wipe them out and this was back when genocide wasn't even coined and if a people had a terrible enemy, it was either us or them and they were much more inclined to destroy them utterly. Look at the Punic Wars where Rome wiped that port pretty much off the map only because they didn't like the competition.

And back then people were much, much more clannish. Even marriage between closely related first cousins was not taboo and the Egyptians were much worse than that, permitting very close relatives to marry and procreate. So, it could be there were a race of large sized humans with specific anomolies linked to their ethnic group, six toes instead of five, for example.

This idea that it is better for distantly related individuals to marry and have children is a relatively new concept to humanity.

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I suspect the Egyptians were not quite as impressed by the Philistines/Sea People as the Hebrews had been. I can't say how tall the Egyptians were in the late Bronze Age/early Iron Age, but I recall measurements having been taken of warrior graves of the Mycenaean culture (from which the Philistines/Sea People had come out of), and it was determined the average man stood around five foot eight, which was very tall for the ancient world.

On the intermarriage issue - that's still very common in that part of the world. Saddam Hussein's wife had also been his cousin, as were his parents. Even among us westerners, you don't have to look back all that far to find cousins marrying cousins.

These would have been isolated groups though, and they were a bit savage. The Hebrews tended to be particularly disenchanted with them so you get the feeling they were not easy for the stranger to get a long with for whatever reason. Maybe they flat out hated strangers? With their anomolies, it could be their life span was shortened so early death from natural causes might not have been uncommon.

Well I belive in it, but as I said this is just my ideia XD Well im geting off topic and this is a subject to talk about in other topics (the if you belive our not ) so yep

Maybe the Hebrews just wanted to appear powerful by claiming to have wiped out a "race" of giants. There is no such thing as race, by the way.

Race as in caucasion, asian, negroid. A group with specific characteristics so being much larger than normal would have been part of their characteristics and don't make like it is an impossibility because we all KNOW that it is. We see examples all around us.

That last sentence utter ass-backward balderdash. Primitive societies were MORE hung up about incest than we are. Not less so. They had to be: the whole division of labor in a tribal society is based upon kinship. Today division of labor is based upon contract (money, and wages are types of contract). So a family couldnt survive if the members married within the same group and didnt extend kinship outward. You wouldnt be able to get hands to plant your fields, or hands to kill bison for you. Division of labor is the real reason for the creation of incest taboos (but genetics is a side benifit) .Indians in the amazon force young men to leave the leave the village when they come of age, and they get executed if they return to their native village, to avoid the bad economic and genetic effects of inbreeding.

But what does any of your ramblings about incest taboos and genocide have to do with Giants? We all know that the genocide was not unheard of in ancient times. If some tribe of a few thousand 13 foot tall people had existed there is nothing unbelievable that some neighboring group would have ethnically cleansed them. But so what? Where is the evidence? Evidence that these giants lived in the first place, and evidence that someone wiped them out?

It's been said these large people were wiped out by the Israelites because they were brutish and worshiped idols. As for incest, YES it was common because people didn't want power to leave their family so cousins married quite frequently and it would not surprise me that these sons and daughters of Canaan came from one closely related couple. It's not as pristine as you might think. And it would explain their prevalence of genetic anomalies because if you study any small, clannish group of interrelated folk you will see, eventually, anomalies start to show up and are confined to their little group. It just depends on what kind of recessive genes they have so it varies what these anomalies are.

Not to get off subject about the taboo against incest, but that may have been the basis behind the Roman story of the Sabine wives.
But as I have pointed out, incest sometimes is acceptable in certain cultures, particularly in the Middle East. Jesus' parents Marry and Joseph very probably had been blood relatives.

Those groups usually form from geographical isolation. Such conditions did not exist in the Middle East. And why would you consider that the Bible has any credibility at all as a history book? I don't.

You do have a point. The ancients would over ride anti incest rules -but only for the same reason that the rules were set up in the first place- wealth/alliances/inheritence. The Egyptian Pharonic lineages would allow brothers and sisters to marry so the same dynasty would rule. And later in Christian Europe what got started as a kind of anti incest rule for royalty became incest. The crowned heads of europe could not marry commoners from their own country - they could ONLY marry royalty from abroad (same rank different country). And this facilitated forming international alliances (much like extending kinship ties to the neighboring tribe enabled stoneage folks to expand their labor pool. But after a few centuries the royal families of Europe (being a small elite group) all became as inbred as an a appalachian hollow because of the rule. And it showed: you had the Romanov prince with hemophilia, and you had the whole Hapsburg family of genetic wierdos.

But whether the ancients allowed incest or not- what does that have to do with giants?

According to that video giants were the product of human women getting boned by angels. So that would be outbreeding, and not inbreeding!

In fact maybe the Nephilim are like ligers. A liger is the product of a male lion mating with a female tiger (usually by accident in captivity). When the father is the tiger -you get dwarfism. But when the male parent is the lion the hybrid offspring get slightly larger than either adult lions or adult tigers. No one knows why- but with Tigons (the opposite) you seem to get a double dose of growth inhibiting hormones, and with ligers you get less inhibitors, and more growth hormone.

So maybe Nephilim are like hominid ligers!

But for a human woman to bare a kid that will grow to 35 feet tall must hurt! Thats the figure given by the guy in the video - 35 feet.

OK. So the whole land of Canaan was like a remote inbred Appalachian village. And the giantism and the six toes were the genetic result. But thats a pretty big clan: to populate a whole nation with cities. Hard to imagine how that could have happened: a population could stay that isolated, and get that large.