Sperm donor was AS

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I find it baffling that you can twist and turn a situation of AS men being discriminated against into a case of misogyny and even rape. It?s very simple, really: sperm banks do not want an autistic man to donate his sperm. This is discriminatory against autistic men. The reason a sperm bank does not want their sperm is because their customers (single women with a child wish or women in a relationship with an infertile man or another woman) do not want to have a child by an autistic father. This is also discriminatory, though one might argue in the woman?s case it?s a part of her own personal freedom of choice, it still is a discriminatory choice.

I am a man who, under current regulations, would not be allowed to donate his sperm. Honesty on my part means I will be dismissed. It?s is absolutely preposterous you likened this to rape, and quite frankly very offensive to me on a personal level. Am I a rapist for not being honest when honesty means I would be discriminated against?

Now there?s that accusation of misogyny, another completely ridiculous statement. Explain to me how what I did is ?offensive to women? or misogynistic in any way? Never in any of my posts have I said that I think any less of women then I think of men. Never have I made any antagonistic posts concerning women, or compared them negatively in any way, shape or form to men. The recipients of my sperm of course are women, but that?s the only link to what I do and the female gender. If the women who receive my men are in a heterosexual relationship, that means their male partner is sterile and one might twist and turn my story in another way and I would be misanderist on top of being misogynist. Oh and what if the women who receive my seed are in a lesbian relationship? I guess that would make me a homophobe too, on top of it all? if you try to accuse me of things at least have the common decency to accuse me of things that have an actual foundation or relevance to the discussion. Calling me a misogynist is ridiculous because not only is it untrue, it?s also not relevant in this situation and just another one in a long list of insults?

I am now: a sociopath, a serial killer, a monster, a psychopath, a misogynist, a liar, a fraud, a narcissist? what?s next, racist? Bigot? Mass-murderer? For crying out loud, it?s starting to seem like a witch hunt in here. And the personal attacks and insults really aren?t helping your case.

this is no different to lying to an actual woman who agrees to bear your child only on the condition that you disclose any illnesses that could be transmissible to the child.

There is several problems with this statement, which I will attempt to point out:

1) You insinuate autism is an illness that has to be disclosed ? it is not an illness
2) You insinuate that autism is genetic or hereditary, something for which there is no consistent scientific proof in existence, thus perpetuating the same old tired assumptions but without providing actual evidence to support this outlandish claim
3) I?ve actually met a woman in real life who looked for a donor to conceive with the natural way, we discussed the matter and a child was born through this donation, a perfectly healthy child I might add

It's a very weak claim you have and you know it. You and those sperm banks. Refusing sperm on a "better be safe then sorry" basis without an actual strong claim to support why certain donors cannot be used. Discrimination, plain and simple.

Riley, just a helpful hint...name calling and creating straw men doesn't really make it look like you're in control and winning an argument.

Like I have said before, whether you like what Charloz has done or not, at least he is getting up, getting out there and doing something. What have you done to make things better for people on the spectrum?

Isn't the current perception of autistics that they are hopeless ret*ds that deserve pity at best. This may change the general perception of us.

Another straw man that needs to be put to bed is that Charloz is being misogynist by doing this. I don't believe this really has anything to do with gender. If Charloz was an autistic woman donating eggs then I would have the same opinion as I do now.

I don't know where Charloz comes from, but in many countries, there is a severe shortage of sperm donors. So for many women, it's not a choice between having an autistic baby or a neurotypical baby, it's a choice between having a baby that may have a small chance of developing a form of autism so mild that they are only disabled by people's attitudes....or no baby at all.

Again if this became a news story noone would feel pity for aspies,just suspicion fear and paranoia. "If theyre capableof that what else are they capable of?"

The issue here is that a woman's rights have been violated. This crosses a boundary/line. We're not dealing with a donation of cartilage from the ear. This is sperm and pregnsncy. You cannot infiltrate a woman's womb with your genetic material in this way. Its a violation of consent because the woman in question will have chosen the material of a healthy man. Our perspective is that autism is a difference, but others do not have this opinion and have scientific reasons for doing so. Whether autism is difference or no is of little importance. What is important is the dishonesty and secrecy as well as the fact that this does autistics everywhere a massive massivee disservice. If other aspies started doing this that would be it for us.

The only person this helps is Charloz. He is clearly getting a big kick out of the whole affair. Notoriety Control Power. This doesnt help us. I dont feel a sense of admiration for our brave man and his functioning scrotum.

The issue of whether autism is hereditary is hardly baseless additionally. Complex and controversial would be better words to use. There is mountains of evidence to prove that its hereditary enough to make what you did a crime against a child that might be born with real difficulties. He may not fare as well as you

The thing is that the woman has already consented to be inseminated. It's not a crime to lie to a woman to sleep with her (many neurotypical men do this).

I've already mentioned that there is no such thing as a 100% healthy individual with 100% healthy DNA, so all men and women who donate genetic material to fertility clinic, and fertility clinics themselves are lying to recipients as well.

Not only that, but to compare autism to a disease is making a category mistake in my opinion. I have Aspergers Syndrome, and I'm Gay. I see them both as neurodivergences, not diseases.

People had 'scientific reasons' to believe that homosexuality is a disease 50 years ago.

The common stereotype is that people on the autistic spectrum are incapable of lying. I don't want us to be hated and feared, but I think it's better than being pitied and marginalised.

People lie to each other to bed each other all the time. Its part of the arrangement. Both parties are aware that there are terrible secrets lurking just beneath the skin. The agreemeent is dont ask dont tell. In this situation however the compact was made under the assumption of complete disclosure. There is a massive difference there. Moreover the frequency of a crime does not necessarily have any bearing on its severity.

YOU see it as a divergence. The reality is that many aspies dont. Bipolar disorder could be seen as a divergence too. The hallucinations of schizophrenia were seen as shamanistic some people say. Epileptics have profound experiences before some episodes its been reported. People in comas have NDE's.

Why dont we find a bipolar schizophrenic with epilepsy to donate sperm to every bank? Oh he also has psychopathy. Theres some quality produce

The thing with sperm banks is that somehow a deep rooted sense of racism, discrimination and eugenics is somehow seen as a right. As if getting sperm from a donor is like window shopping for the dress you like the most. There seems to be almost zero focus whether the parent(s) are actually capable of giving the child the love and care it needs ( although this is a problem in general ... ). It's a bit sickening to me, then again so are many things that most people consider as a normal thing.

Just a random snibbit from a sperm bank website:



Where sperm banks were first a necessity for couples or single women who couldn't or didn't have the means to conceive, it has now gotten pretty far into objectifying men. If you want a child and you will love and take care for it unconditionally, why does it even matter what hair colour, eye colour, height or even hobbies or interests the donor has? I just don't get it.

I agree with everything you said there, it is disturbing but before Charloz claps you on the back it still doesn't justify his actions because his actions if anything will just result in those policies becoming MORE stringent and MORE deterministic. They'll eventually request medical files if that's legal. Or they'll demand medical evidence of your health. Im surprised they dont already

Actually I haven't been name calling. His actions a extremely sociopathic. I do not know if he has been diagnosed with sociopathy but he does not seem to have ANY remourse of empathy for what he is doing to these women. He is treating them like meat.



What he is doing is deceiving clinics and women in order to get them pregnant with HIS spawn. What he is also doing is not giving the parents the knowledge that could HELP his children. They may really struggle because of this lack of knowledge. If those kids suffer because he chooses to withhold information that is all on him.



I campaign for therapies to be available for adults with severe autism. I also campaign against abuse in day centers, groups homes and schools and I also campaign for better education in schools.

What I do NOT do is break the law and violate the rights of freedoms of others. He is doing it in the most intimate way possible and it does seem to have connotations of sexual violation which again smacks of misogyny. He talks about eugenics when he wants to practice it himself ..like ASD makes his sperm some sort of blessing to be bestowed regardless if women want it. THAT is a symptom of narcissism. The part where he does not give a crap about the women is also misogyny. He is treating them like objects.



The misogynist part, also lies in order to treat women like incubators for HIS ego's sake without any consideration for what they may want. He does not care about their autonomy, rights and freedoms. He also speaks of these women with disdain yet wants them to carry his children? I doubt they'd want to carry them if they read this thread.

If women are going to impregnate themselves with sperm from someone they don't know then they deserve what they get. I think the whole idea of sperm donation is abhorrent, so am biased I guess. But why do people think that because they want something they automatically have a right to it? You can't always get what you want.

Most women who go for AI are probably infertile or are partnered to an infertile man

I figured that. I can't imagine this would be anyone's first option.

This whole debate is poised to become a moot point.

http://m.technologyreview.com/news/5074 ... perm-bank/

There aren't currently reliable genetic markers for autism but since that is a hot area of research, there will be if in fact it is at least partly genetic. If it is not at least partly genetic then this is all moot anyway. But it probably is.

Note that this particular soon-to-launch service is not about casting specific DNA sequences into the trash and saying "your DNA is no good- begone!". It's about figuring out which combinations of DNA from sperm and egg will likely give which results. Everybody is carrying something. That's why children born of two close relatives often have some disorder. We're all carrying something. With the current setup, would-be parents are left to their own devices to attempt to calculate the odds of their child having a certain disorder based on what they know of their own genetic history and what they know of the donor's history-which as this thread shows is very little at all.

All of that is about to change, whether we want it to or not.

agreed.

Lying for sex isn't exclusively a NT thing.. and FRAUD is a crime.