Obama is the worst president ever!
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The poverty line has been shifted a number of times, people, and of course there's a lot more to consider when we look at the actual lives these people led. I don't think it would have felt prosperous to me if I was my grandfather, a fifteen year old boy picking cotton while my stepfather worked in dangerous mine shafts, my mother built war ships, and my sister in law was the only one home to scrap to take care of me while I lived in a tar paper shack that was all my parents could afford for me while they were gone the majority of the time. "I" went hungry to get an education while my big brother was in Okinawa waiting for the next banzai charge. In spite of all of that hardship "I" was above the poverty line after I turned ten, until I moved out we could finally expect to eat maybe two or three times a week.
The war wasn't prosperous. America survived the war. It could have dragged on and actually destroyed the American economy, much like what happened to the Germans. The policy of total war is a two edged blade because on paper the economic numbers looked great if you didn't pay much attention to how people were really living. On the other side of the coin WWII catapulted America into the modern world and it's the primary reason America became a leading power: massive industrial development during a short period.
Obviously during a total war a country must minimize the production of goods that would help standard of living as production of weapons and war machines is the prority. I was not referring to WWII though, but to the prosperity that came after it. Worth nothing that one of the main reason that the US won the Pacific war is thanks to the strength of their industry and economy, meaning that the high taxation of the wealthy didn't really handicapped them.
I'll vote for that!
We have plenty of our own oil right here in the US. Our involvement in the middle east over oil is all unnecessary BS.
Better to incite the populace down there to fix their own issues. Any US military involvement should be very limited and only on a deniable clandestine special ops level. Remember, we tried to fix Iraq.
The conservaive in me says that an individual's healthcare is not within the role of government .
That aside, the government of the United States is too incompetent for such a huge endeavour. They would make a bureaucratic whorehouse out of it that would piss away taxpayer money by the boxcar full in "administrative costs" alone. The people actually served by it (or call them victims of it ) would only be a consequential byproduct of all the bureaucratic skullduggery, interdepartmental tribal conflicts, and policy inconsistencies. After all the the big pharma companies would still get fat off of the system. The best time for the US to have gone to a real no s**t national healthcare system would have been from the 1930's to the 1960's or so. It would still be overly bureaucratic like anything government but it would have been established and at least most of the major bugs worked out before health care would have become the excessively greedy industry it has.
There are better freeways already in existence than 66 has ever been.
Science already is strongly encouraged. It's just that the left won't stop bashing religion (or we could just be honest and replace the word religion with Christianity since the left turns a blind eye to all but Christianity) until every place of Christian worship is leveled, every cross destroyed, and every bible burned.
I know I could be advocating government intervention (meddling) but the problem is greed driven price which we might want to consider mandatory price capping (the conservative in me is cringing) of tuition and book costs. The same could be done for healthcare.
We already do have the right. It' just happens to be a right that comes under attack via interpretation of the constitution by those who claim to be on the side of civil rights.
In a way they have within the past 10 years with the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger, and probably a few others I'm forgetting at the moment. They won't go back to building exact duplicates of the originals because the safety and emissions requirements have changed.
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The poverty line has been shifted a number of times, people, and of course there's a lot more to consider when we look at the actual lives these people led. I don't think it would have felt prosperous to me if I was my grandfather, a fifteen year old boy picking cotton while my stepfather worked in dangerous mine shafts, my mother built war ships, and my sister in law was the only one home to scrap to take care of me while I lived in a tar paper shack that was all my parents could afford for me while they were gone the majority of the time. "I" went hungry to get an education while my big brother was in Okinawa waiting for the next banzai charge. In spite of all of that hardship "I" was above the poverty line after I turned ten, until I moved out we could finally expect to eat maybe two or three times a week.
The war wasn't prosperous. America survived the war. It could have dragged on and actually destroyed the American economy, much like what happened to the Germans. The policy of total war is a two edged blade because on paper the economic numbers looked great if you didn't pay much attention to how people were really living. On the other side of the coin WWII catapulted America into the modern world and it's the primary reason America became a leading power: massive industrial development during a short period.
Obviously during a total war a country must minimize the production of goods that would help standard of living as production of weapons and war machines is the prority. I was not referring to WWII though, but to the prosperity that came after it. Worth nothing that one of the main reason that the US won the Pacific war is thanks to the strength of their industry and economy, meaning that the high taxation of the wealthy didn't really handicapped them.
Of course it didn't handicap them, they were contracted to make bombs, planes, and aircraft carriers. Plus like I was saying they were riding on all of the industrial development, it's well known that this country has the most natural resources. We had the resources to back up printing all of that money and we purposely inflated the market during the war. We've learned from other periods of American history that when you inflate a balloon too much it has to pop. And sure, they were able to start up great industries, but a huge chunk of all of those tax dollars went into the New Deal and F.D.R. himself considered the New Deal a failure.
Plus how about them tax rates in the 20s?
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The conservaive .
Love that word! Yes, you are naive!
I am reduced to a tablet again (hence my many grammatical mistakes. Blame my big fat fingers! ) so I cannot at this moment post links. Trust me, I'll be back with them!
Suffice it to say, that the US has already reached "peak oil" (a technical term) and we are running out of oil. That is an indisputable fact.
So you think that it is sad that we should reduce pollution and conserve.
I realize that even when EVERY scientific organization in the world agrees (such as the fact that AGW exists) you prefer your intuition. However, and luckily most people prefer science to your intuition.
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Still chuckling about that word," conservaive"!
A clever combination of conservative and naive!
Thanks!
You convinced me that Freudian slips actually do exist.
Did you hear about the man that went to his psychiatrist and said," doc, I made the most horrible Freudian slip last night." The doc said,"tell me more."
Well, I was at my mother's house last night and I meant to say," please pass the salt." But instead I said, "you b***h you ruined my life"! !!
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I went up over 50 feet!
I love debate!
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My debate style is calm and deadly!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-230v_ecAcM
The conservaive .
Love that word! Yes, you are naive!
I am reduced to a tablet again (hence my many grammatical mistakes. Blame my big fat fingers! ) so I cannot at this moment post links. Trust me, I'll be back with them!
Suffice it to say, that the US has already reached "peak oil" (a technical term) and we are running out of oil. That is an indisputable fact.
So you think that it is sad that we should reduce pollution and conserve.
I realize that even when EVERY scientific organization in the world agrees (such as the fact that AGW exists) you prefer your intuition. However, and luckily most people prefer science to your intuition.
Considering that five states are in the middle of an oil boom right now and obviously everyone should be aware that for years and years now surveyors have not been allowed to examine quite a bit of land, including thousands and thousands of undeveloped miles, even in the deserts... Yeah I wouldn't hesitate at all to call bs there buddy. Awesome profile name by the way, I'm jealous because I loved reading wittgenstein's stuff.
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Then why fracking? That is like trying to sip up threw a straw that last centimetre of pepsi.*
Pipelines? That is like increasing the pepsi consumption by adding more straws. Sure, you will consume faster,but is that wise?
* actually a better analogy is forcing water into the glass to get those last molecules of pepsi to the surface and away from those pesky ice cubes.
PS: Thanks, Witt was the greatest philosopher of the last 100 years! Not just me says that, see the Stanford encyclopedia of philosophy. (online).
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I love debate!
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My debate style is calm and deadly!
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Hey, I got Asperger's (an all purpose excuse ) so I cannot help but be anal. You are not jealous of me, you are envious. When I was single, I might have been envious of a guy with a gorgeous girl friend but I was not jealous. I did not think he was cheating on me!
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Witt was not just a profound philosopher. He came from a VERY rich family. He gave it all away! How rich? Once in England, he missed a train and hired an entire train to take him where he wanted to go, he grew up with Brahms, Klimt and his brother lost an arm in WW1,he was a pianist (if you watch the old tv series "mash" Winchester played Witt's bros piece for a one armed man. In WW1 witt volunteered for front line duty because he thought being close to death would make him understand the deep issues.
In other words he was not only profound (in an intellectual sense) he was also a man of character.
When he died his last words were," tell them my life was awesome." Today "awesome " is a silly word*. But then it meant a life filled with awe.
* like "sublime". Now people say such things as "that chocolate was sublime". Originally, it meant, terrifying beauty. Like an exploding volcano or the infinite expanse of space.
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I went up over 50 feet!
I love debate!
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My debate style is calm and deadly!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-230v_ecAcM
i voted AGAINST him twice.i voted McCain in 08 and romney in 12.he is not the worst presdent by far and he is not that liberal either.ive been a bit suprised that the left has embraced him as much as they have.
worst presidents
1.andrew johnson
2.linden b. johnson
3.bill clinton
4.jimmy carter
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The conservaive .
Love that word! Yes, you are naive!
I am reduced to a tablet again (hence my many grammatical mistakes. Blame my big fat fingers! ) so I cannot at this moment post links. Trust me, I'll be back with them!
Suffice it to say, that the US has already reached "peak oil" (a technical term) and we are running out of oil. That is an indisputable fact.
So you think that it is sad that we should reduce pollution and conserve.
I realize that even when EVERY scientific organization in the world agrees (such as the fact that AGW exists) you prefer your intuition. However, and luckily most people prefer science to your intuition.
Thank you!
It's always good to have fans on the left.
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I'll vote for that!
We have plenty of our own oil right here in the US. Our involvement in the middle east over oil is all unnecessary BS.
Better to incite the populace down there to fix their own issues. Any US military involvement should be very limited and only on a deniable clandestine special ops level. Remember, we tried to fix Iraq.
The conservaive in me says that an individual's healthcare is not within the role of government .
That aside, the government of the United States is too incompetent for such a huge endeavour. They would make a bureaucratic whorehouse out of it that would piss away taxpayer money by the boxcar full in "administrative costs" alone. The people actually served by it (or call them victims of it ) would only be a consequential byproduct of all the bureaucratic skullduggery, interdepartmental tribal conflicts, and policy inconsistencies. After all the the big pharma companies would still get fat off of the system. The best time for the US to have gone to a real no s**t national healthcare system would have been from the 1930's to the 1960's or so. It would still be overly bureaucratic like anything government but it would have been established and at least most of the major bugs worked out before health care would have become the excessively greedy industry it has.
There are better freeways already in existence than 66 has ever been.
Science already is strongly encouraged. It's just that the left won't stop bashing religion (or we could just be honest and replace the word religion with Christianity since the left turns a blind eye to all but Christianity) until every place of Christian worship is leveled, every cross destroyed, and every bible burned.
I know I could be advocating government intervention (meddling) but the problem is greed driven price which we might want to consider mandatory price capping (the conservative in me is cringing) of tuition and book costs. The same could be done for healthcare.
We already do have the right. It' just happens to be a right that comes under attack via interpretation of the constitution by those who claim to be on the side of civil rights.
In a way they have within the past 10 years with the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger, and probably a few others I'm forgetting at the moment. They won't go back to building exact duplicates of the originals because the safety and emissions requirements have changed.
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Can't help ya with the full service gas unless you want to move to Oregon or New Joyzie.
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worst presidents
1.andrew johnson
2.linden b. johnson
3.bill clinton
4.jimmy carter
I see Clinton as mediocre, and Carter I'd put on my top 5 most ineffective presidents. I could see some very valid arguments for the other two, though (but I would still rate LBJ somewhere in the middle overall, with some highs and some lows).
I would definitely agree that Obama is definitely not anywhere near the liberal he is painted as (by both sides of the aisle). To be honest, Obama and Romney are actually fairly close on the political spectrum, with Obama actually falling to the right of him on a few issues.
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