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27 Sep 2014, 11:57 am

Aghogday -

It's easier to feel out of place in a society when you are at odds with majority rules. This could be why you feel unhappy - not necessarily because your IQ is high. It's this realization that you can see what others cannot. Your heart aches because they seem so doomed and yet so powerless to change. This is the crux of your sadness. If you knew people could access their sense of thoughtfulness and restraint you would feel better about life. Instead, you look around and you see them marching on the same path which is a hopeless one full of chaos all because of this insatiable greed they have, this neediness to keep consuming forever and ever and to keep multiplying and to keep sprawling regardless of the consequences and to welcome destruction and doom because it is in a book like the Bible. I can't see eye to eye with people who are in this thinking zone thus I am sad. They won't listen to me and I must listen to them because they are all around and they are controlling the world. This is how the majority thinks.



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27 Sep 2014, 2:14 pm

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True but as I experience intense empathy for others I am not sad at all on a personal level for all of this. It took me 5 long decades but I finally learned that the needs of others are not the need of me.

I look on and write about it, just for the joy of writing.

I know what I can change and accept what I cannot. And this is one of those things in life, that I JUST feel fortunate to escape.

I would like for others to, too, but that is not my place to will, as that is only will of theirs. :) And no, THEIRS is never mine.


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27 Sep 2014, 2:46 pm

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True but as I experience intense empathy for others I am not sad at all on a personal level for all of this. It took me 5 long decades but I finally learned that the needs of others are not the need of me.

I look on and write about it, just for the joy of writing.

I know what I can change and accept what I cannot. And this is one of those things in life, that I JUST feel fortunate to escape.

I would like for others to, too, but that is not my place to will, as that is only will of theirs. :) And no, THEIRS is never mine.


I understand that but the point is, the needs of others are what's causing the problems. Some people have insatiable needs and find nothing wrong with fulfilling them all and if you have one or two like that, it doesn't hurt much but if you have 500 million, it takes it toll. I try to live modestly so I am not trying to be hypocritical. I live a lot more modestly than most but I don't mind that. If people were more like me, there would be far less toll on the environment and it is much more than just "carbon footprint" talk. That's like putting a band aid on a Grizzly bear wound.



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27 Sep 2014, 2:57 pm

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Yes, true; I understand and agree. I live my life in such a way that I give at least as much as I take with the details in mind of what you describe above. I sleep well at night, when i feel the need for sleep. It's a peaceful way of life for me; that much I do know for sure. :)


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27 Sep 2014, 3:13 pm

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Yes, true; I understand and agree. I live my life in such a way that I give at least as much as I take with the details in mind of what you describe above. I sleep well at night, when i feel the need for sleep. It's a peaceful way of life for me; that much I do know for sure. :)


Then what is wrong with wishing others could as well if it would make things more comfortable for all the earth's inhabitants. To me, this sounds more like having empathy than granting everyone the privilege to do whatever it is they want without any concern for anything else.



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27 Sep 2014, 5:00 pm

Slow down human populating growth plus using alternative energy would help.Good luck trying to stop people from breeding like rabbits.I'd secretly sterilize half of them but people frown on that for some reason


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27 Sep 2014, 5:07 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Slow down human populating growth plus using alternative energy would help.Good luck trying to stop people from breeding like rabbits.I'd secretly sterilize half of them but people frown on that for some reason

Women tend to use birth control when they have access to it; birthrate is robustly (across many studies) inversely proportional to female literacy and access to bc. It's called the demographic shift. The problem is religious and/or patriarchal idiots trying to prevent women from having access to the tools to control their own futures.



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27 Sep 2014, 5:29 pm

It would be such a boon to the planet and people if there were free clinics everywhere that provided free birth control and sterilization to all.Dream on.


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27 Sep 2014, 5:33 pm

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It would be such a boon to the planet and people if there were free clinics everywhere that provided free birth control and sterilization to all.Dream on.

Yeah. My christmas present to myself (and to sympathetic family members) is donations to various family planning/women's health programs overseas.



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27 Sep 2014, 10:17 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Slow down human populating growth plus using alternative energy would help.Good luck trying to stop people from breeding like rabbits.I'd secretly sterilize half of them but people frown on that for some reason


Well I have already addressed this issue because I know exactly what you mean. I do not want to traumatize people by dictating stuff to them. I would rather take the sly, under the table, gene altering approach and start from the beginning, like at conception, rather than try to force a system on an older population when it goes against the nature of their genetics.

As for getting people to have less kids, I would start a media campaign lauding people who decide not to have kids. I would hold such individuals in high esteem and encourage society to follow suit. I would opt for inclusion. That way, people who do not necessarily want to become parents, and there are plenty who don't, would feel good about their decision to not have them. This would help out the rest of the population.. I would encourage an average of two kids while frowning on any more than four per person and I am not doing this to be a big fat meanie. I am being practical and thinking about the needs of the planet and other species that inhabit it.



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27 Sep 2014, 11:10 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
aghogday wrote:
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Yes, true; I understand and agree. I live my life in such a way that I give at least as much as I take with the details in mind of what you describe above. I sleep well at night, when i feel the need for sleep. It's a peaceful way of life for me; that much I do know for sure. :)


Then what is wrong with wishing others could as well if it would make things more comfortable for all the earth's inhabitants. To me, this sounds more like having empathy than granting everyone the privilege to do whatever it is they want without any concern for anything else.


Nothing is wrong with it all, it is the same i wish for too, and try to effect change too, in whatever small way i can. :) I just accept what I can't change and don't let it bring me down, as well. :)

And to be clear I am not saying you are doing anything different as you seem like a strong, brave, and empathic person too. :)

And I also agree with eliminating the restrictions of birth control from religions that control the ideology of people; however, that change must come from within, and yes I am on the inside working with my Catholic Monsignor to do whatever I can to incite that change with many others from within. If the Catholic church would change that one policy, the world could be a less populated place along with less human suffering too, overall.


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27 Sep 2014, 11:51 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Slow down human populating growth plus using alternative energy would help.Good luck trying to stop people from breeding like rabbits.I'd secretly sterilize half of them but people frown on that for some reason


Well I have already addressed this issue because I know exactly what you mean. I do not want to traumatize people by dictating stuff to them. I would rather take the sly, under the table, gene altering approach and start from the beginning, like at conception, rather than try to force a system on an older population when it goes against the nature of their genetics.

As for getting people to have less kids, I would start a media campaign lauding people who decide not to have kids. I would hold such individuals in high esteem and encourage society to follow suit. I would opt for inclusion. That way, people who do not necessarily want to become parents, and there are plenty who don't, would feel good about their decision to not have them. This would help out the rest of the population.. I would encourage an average of two kids while frowning on any more than four per person and I am not doing this to be a big fat meanie. I am being practical and thinking about the needs of the planet and other species that inhabit it.

I'd bait them up with the offer of a free smart phone.Get sterilized and you get one,and a year of free service.They will line up I bet.


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27 Sep 2014, 11:56 pm

Misslizard wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Slow down human populating growth plus using alternative energy would help.Good luck trying to stop people from breeding like rabbits.I'd secretly sterilize half of them but people frown on that for some reason


Well I have already addressed this issue because I know exactly what you mean. I do not want to traumatize people by dictating stuff to them. I would rather take the sly, under the table, gene altering approach and start from the beginning, like at conception, rather than try to force a system on an older population when it goes against the nature of their genetics.

As for getting people to have less kids, I would start a media campaign lauding people who decide not to have kids. I would hold such individuals in high esteem and encourage society to follow suit. I would opt for inclusion. That way, people who do not necessarily want to become parents, and there are plenty who don't, would feel good about their decision to not have them. This would help out the rest of the population.. I would encourage an average of two kids while frowning on any more than four per person and I am not doing this to be a big fat meanie. I am being practical and thinking about the needs of the planet and other species that inhabit it.

I'd bait them up with the offer of a free smart phone.Get sterilized and you get one,and a year of free service.They will line up I bet.


I wouldn't target older people because they get all jealous of their rights and start wigging out and thinking it's a fascist state. I would start with the genetic thing first, then work on that generation after I have started with the genes. I know it's folly to try to get adults to accept stuff. They don't want to accept anything. They are set in their ways, pretty much, and they will say their rights and freedoms are being taken away. If someone doesn't crave a certain thing, they won't mind if it's not there.



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28 Sep 2014, 12:16 pm

There would be this generation of calm, meek, humble rational, thinkers who would like nothing more than to sit outside and read books or solve complex equations despite all the turmoil their parents create around them. They would be resistant to parental brainwashing, too, so no matter how hard the parents try to ruin them by making them be just like the parents - just as destructively consuming and lost as the parents - it wouldn't work. The youth would simply watch the folly with smug amusement only to return to their books completely unphased leaving their parents scratching their heads in wonder and, perhaps, amazement. Imagine a generation immune to the ill effects of negative programming!! !



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28 Sep 2014, 3:03 pm

Hmm, ok I get it now. Your plan for world 'domination' does not exclude the potential for in effect, cloning of Internet Ana. ;)


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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
There would be this generation of calm, meek, humble rational, thinkers who would like nothing more than to sit outside and read books or solve complex equations despite all the turmoil their parents create around them. They would be resistant to parental brainwashing, too, so no matter how hard the parents try to ruin them by making them be just like the parents - just as destructively consuming and lost as the parents - it wouldn't work. The youth would simply watch the folly with smug amusement only to return to their books completely unphased leaving their parents scratching their heads in wonder and, perhaps, amazement. Imagine a generation immune to the ill effects of negative programming!! !

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Are you not seeing the irony of literally programming people to behave exactly as you want them to and then calling that "immune to the ill effects of negative programming".?