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15 Oct 2014, 9:35 pm

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Communists are athiest.

You are not correct. Some of the first communists in history were the early Christians, who were required to give up all personal property when they joined the group. Those who held out were severely punished.

The Taiping Rebellion was praised by Mao as "proto-Communist":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion

and the people who ran the rebellion wouldn't be confused as atheist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Heavenly_Kingdom



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15 Oct 2014, 10:19 pm

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Stop dancing around split hairs and admit it:
Atheists are in no way morally superior to people of faith.

They do have one advantage in that they are not vulnerable to acting stupidly due to faith in a religious text.

The religious have no monopoly on stupidity.

They do on a certain kind of stupidity. The kind that makes otherwise good people do evil things due to faith in a book.

And the followers of Chairman Mao's 'little red book'?..



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16 Oct 2014, 3:03 am

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I did not attack Darwin. You know what I did? All I asked was if there was a possibility that religion is not neccessarily the root of all evil, but that evil comes from politics, and that the
religious nuts aren't really pulling religion down on politics, its the other way around: One's political opinions are reflected in your religious beliefs. Ie. If you think God hates liberals, it is because YOU hate liberals.

That innocent little thing could get the atheist forum members into a vulgar attack on me as a person, shouting "f**k you", "do you f*****g understand that..."

I don't hate atheists. I don't hate religious people. But I hate communities and group adherence and I despise conformity.
THAT is the root of all evil. And atheists are conformists too, when grouped, thus they become no better than the religious people.

I agree that group mentality can make everyone equally foolish regardless of their agenda, but it's not the root of all evil. Terrible things have been done by groups who put aside their individuality to go along with the program--but so have great things. I don't think about "what is the root of all evil", or even "evil," because it takes only a few minutes of analytical thought for both concepts to fall apart almost completely.

I do know that people are always going to disagree about absolutely everything, forever and ever, and none of it should be taken too seriously. The one similarity is that everybody wants to feel validated in their beliefs (or lack of them), and will seek out places and pieces of information that enforce that feeling, because none of them are really certain. That's why I don't bother with debate very much anymore. For all the effort we put into it, very little is accomplished.


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16 Oct 2014, 10:45 am

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Stop dancing around split hairs and admit it:
Atheists are in no way morally superior to people of faith.

They do have one advantage in that they are not vulnerable to acting stupidly due to faith in a religious text.

The religious have no monopoly on stupidity.

They do on a certain kind of stupidity. The kind that makes otherwise good people do evil things due to faith in a book.

And the followers of Chairman Mao's 'little red book'?..

Another kind of faith. Indeed, Mao is a religious figure. Did you know he ate a mango once, and ever since mangos are considered almost sacred in China? No one would ever dare eat one, and they are often enshrined in small glass cases.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ution.html

One dentist in a small village, who dared to compare a touring mango to a sweet potato was put on trial for malicious slander and executed.



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18 Oct 2014, 2:55 am

ripped wrote:
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Stop dancing around split hairs and admit it:
Atheists are in no way morally superior to people of faith.

They do have one advantage in that they are not vulnerable to acting stupidly due to faith in a religious text.

The religious have no monopoly on stupidity.

They do on a certain kind of stupidity. The kind that makes otherwise good people do evil things due to faith in a book.

And the followers of Chairman Mao's 'little red book'?..

An unorganized, uncontrolled army of teenagers who worshiped Mao as a virtual god.



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20 Oct 2014, 9:29 am

I'm sure all of the viscous atheists, described by others, exist somewhere out there, just as you can assign bad deeds to some members of any group.

But when I think of atheism I remember the words: ".....no hell below us, above us only sky.", and remember the person who sang/wrote those words. I think, for people of "good heart", this is what is meant by "atheism."



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20 Oct 2014, 1:02 pm

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I'm sure all of the viscous atheists, described by others, exist somewhere out there, just as you can assign bad deeds to some members of any group.

But when I think of atheism I remember the words: ".....no hell below us, above us only sky.", and remember the person who sang/wrote those words. I think, for people of "good heart", this is what is meant by "atheism."


I hope that was a typo :lol:



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24 Oct 2014, 6:10 pm

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^You've never lived in the South have you? :D


You've never considered that the South is a pretty small portion of the globe have you? Anecdotes and more anecdotes, folks. It's a big world and let's admit it: problems like murder, theft, discrimination, etc. are all thanks to more basic elements of human nature than religion and credo. You can find terrible abuse practically everywhere in history regardless of whatever label they slapped on themselves. It's a competition for identity, for resources, to shore up problems in your country, kingdom, tribe, or clan by dehumanizing some other group and focusing nervous energy on them.


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24 Oct 2014, 6:38 pm

Yes it is and does it is a justification to the vilification of minorities and things they do not understand like Homosexuality is a sin and those with mental disabilities are possessed with demons. Masturbaition is wrong and sex before marriage is wrong as well etc etc etc. It merely encourages people to only marry for sex only later on realizing that their partner isnt satysfying enough and leading to a divorce in 2 years or remaining miserable!


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24 Oct 2014, 6:48 pm

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Yes it is and does it is a justification to the vilification of minorities and things they do not understand like Homosexuality is a sin and those with mental disabilities are possessed with demons. Masturbaition is wrong and sex before marriage is wrong as well etc etc etc. It merely encourages people to only marry for sex only later on realizing that their partner isnt satysfying enough and leading to a divorce in 2 years or remaining miserable!


Hmmmm... I don't have a hard time at all thinking of atheist countries like that, hatred towards minorities, homosexuals, mentally disabled people. Hell, North Korea is still a real place even though it should have been shelled into glass a long time ago just to staunch all of the suffering.


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24 Oct 2014, 7:11 pm

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^You've never lived in the South have you? :D


You've never considered that the South is a pretty small portion of the globe have you? Anecdotes and more anecdotes, folks. It's a big world and let's admit it: problems like murder, theft, discrimination, etc. are all thanks to more basic elements of human nature than religion and credo. You can find terrible abuse practically everywhere in history regardless of whatever label they slapped on themselves. It's a competition for identity, for resources, to shore up problems in your country, kingdom, tribe, or clan by dehumanizing some other group and focusing nervous energy on them.


Of course it's a small part of the world,why wouldn't I consider that? Relgious fundamentalists are a problem all over,and they are a nuisance wherever they are.They just use their religion as an excuse for bad behavior.

So let's turn N.Korea into glass,how very Christian of you.


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24 Oct 2014, 10:01 pm

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So let's turn N.Korea into glass,how very Christian of you.


His statement made me think about a book I have read last week about Carl Schmitt. What Lukecash12 has written. basically fits with how modern just wars work, where the enemy is not someone who needs to be defeated, but an absolute evil (for example the Hitler of the month) that needs to be destroyed.



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30 Oct 2014, 6:07 pm

True but that does not mean that a Hitler does not occasionally emerge.ISIS for example, is Muslim in name only. They are almost universally hated by Muslims around the world.
Yep, they regurgitate the Koran but they have no understanding of it.


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30 Oct 2014, 8:37 pm

I wouldn't say 'almost universally loathed.' I think it's probably more like 90% or so: roughly the same as the proportion of christians who loathe the Wesbro Baptist Church. For the rest, well, I can imagine a lot of American Evangelicals and Pentecostals flocking to an extremist group taking ground and setting up a 'Christian State' that would live by 'biblical laws.'



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31 Oct 2014, 9:55 am

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True but that does not mean that a Hitler does not occasionally emerge.ISIS for example, is Muslim in name only. They are almost universally hated by Muslims around the world.
Yep, they regurgitate the Koran but they have no understanding of it.


Who put you in charge of deciding who is a Muslim? Upon who's authority are you deciding that their interpretation of the Koran is wrong? ISIS is profoundly Islamic. Everything they say and do is religious in nature. It's their primary motivation.



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03 Nov 2014, 3:32 pm

?????
Hmmm so genocide, rape etc are Islamic virtues? I am not a Muslim but I find your characterization of Islam offensive.


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