Atheists are no better than religious nuts

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14 Oct 2014, 4:59 pm

Is tally the moderator that quit WP? Hell if I know, I'm an aspie! Anyway, his complaint resonates. WP is a fantastic site., * Oh, well thats life!
He did that in 2013. Is this an annual going out of business sale. I love the guy. But really?
* at least his "last" complaint made sense to me. I hate (technical difficultys) especially, trying to find my last post and getting ", old ids could not be erased."

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14 Oct 2014, 5:09 pm

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14 Oct 2014, 5:57 pm

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It is not know the precice amount of people who were tortured and otherwise abused by these determinedly atheistic communist regimes.

Having read far too much vintage Communist boilerplate, I can't agree that those regimes were strictly atheist. They may have lacked organized prayer, or an official belief in an afterlife, but in every other respect what they had amounted to a worldly religion. They merely replaced "God" with the state, humorously called The People; replaced ancient scripture with the writings of Marx, Engels, Lenin, etc.; replaced the Pope or divinely approved King with the current leader. Official doctrine was to be taken on faith and never questioned. Young people learned a sort of catechism, to be recited on cue. Dissidents were treated exactly as heretics had been in the Dark Ages. And just as medieval theocracies claimed their every atrocity was performed in the name of God, those regimes committed the most horrible actions imaginable in the name of The People.

If that's atheism, then giving up beef for pork is vegetarianism.

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14 Oct 2014, 6:10 pm

And since atheism isn't an ideology, it's a lack of belief in a God, it's hard to blame the lack of an ideology for mass murder. It's like saying only belief in God can prevent murder, and that's ridiculous.

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14 Oct 2014, 8:13 pm

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...In fact other than you getting your panties in a twist I don't remember hearing of ANY inhumane acts by groups of atheists; have you?

Stéphane Courtois states that "Communist regimes turned mass crime into a full-blown system of government". He claims that the death toll totals 94 million.

Communists are athiest. Communists committed more murders than any other ideology in the 20th century.
Those are inhumane acts by groups of atheists.

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Your strawman is ridiculous.
This argument was simply about crimes committed by groups of atheists.

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14 Oct 2014, 8:17 pm

King Abdullah agrees with the OP:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 28389.html

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14 Oct 2014, 8:22 pm

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Communists are athiest.

You are not correct. Some of the first communists in history were the early Christians, who were required to give up all personal property when they joined the group. Those who held out were severely punished.

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Communists committed more murders than any other ideology in the 20th century.

You are not correct. Communists killed a lot of people en masse either through stupid policy decisions or elimination of political rivals, but fascists come in a close second and capitalists continue to chalk up death after death to this day through the greed and callousness of multinationals and the regimes that support them. Just in the last decade, hundreds of thousands have died in Iraq to support a few oil companies.

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Your strawman is ridiculous.
This argument was simply about crimes committed by groups of atheists.

By that metric, every war death caused by a nation of Christians can be laid at the feet of Christianity.

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14 Oct 2014, 8:39 pm

Stop dancing around split hairs and admit it:
Atheists are in no way morally superior to people of faith.

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14 Oct 2014, 9:23 pm

ripped wrote:

Stop dancing around split hairs and admit it:
Atheists are in no way morally superior to people of faith.

They do have one advantage in that they are not vulnerable to acting stupidly due to faith in a religious text. That is inherently a morally superior position.

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14 Oct 2014, 9:25 pm

ripped wrote:

This argument was simply about crimes committed by groups of atheists.

That's why it's a stupid argument. Crimes committed by atheists aren't due to atheism and can't be due to atheism. Some crimes committed by Christians are a direct result of Christianity.

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14 Oct 2014, 9:32 pm

AspE wrote:

ripped wrote:

Stop dancing around split hairs and admit it:
Atheists are in no way morally superior to people of faith.

They do have one advantage in that they are not vulnerable to acting stupidly due to faith in a religious text.

The religious have no monopoly on stupidity.

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14 Oct 2014, 9:55 pm

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15 Oct 2014, 1:52 pm

ripped wrote:

Stop dancing around split hairs and admit it:
Atheists are in no way morally superior to people of faith.

Well, sure. People are people. Likewise, 'People of faith' are in no way morally superior to to atheists.

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15 Oct 2014, 3:31 pm

ripped wrote:

AspE wrote:

ripped wrote:

Stop dancing around split hairs and admit it:
Atheists are in no way morally superior to people of faith.

They do have one advantage in that they are not vulnerable to acting stupidly due to faith in a religious text.

The religious have no monopoly on stupidity.

They do on a certain kind of stupidity. The kind that makes otherwise good people do evil things due to faith in a book.

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15 Oct 2014, 8:51 pm

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They do on a certain kind of stupidity. The kind that makes otherwise good people do evil things due to faith in a book.

Evidence?

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15 Oct 2014, 9:35 pm

LKL wrote:

ripped wrote:

Communists are athiest.

The Taiping Rebellion was praised by Mao as "proto-Communist":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion

and the people who ran the rebellion wouldn't be confused as atheist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Heavenly_Kingdom

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