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20 Oct 2014, 1:53 pm

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Call my ideas hollow and party rhetoric if you like, but they are what I believe in, and I'll stick to them.

They are what they are...

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And as I recall, not many posts ago, you were comparing conservatives to hunter/gatherers, now you are the Neolithic farmers. I had no idea I could sway your prejudices as such. :P

You're the one that brought in neolithic farmers. I haven't said a word about them. Either hunter/gatherers or farmers are more useful than shiftless peaceniks


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20 Oct 2014, 2:40 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Call my ideas hollow and party rhetoric if you like, but they are what I believe in, and I'll stick to them.

They are what they are...

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And as I recall, not many posts ago, you were comparing conservatives to hunter/gatherers, now you are the Neolithic farmers. I had no idea I could sway your prejudices as such. :P

You're the one that brought in neolithic farmers. I haven't said a word about them. Either hunter/gatherers or farmers are more useful than shiftless peaceniks


Those "s**tless peaceniks" can easily be farmers or hunter/gatherers.


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20 Oct 2014, 3:01 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Call my ideas hollow and party rhetoric if you like, but they are what I believe in, and I'll stick to them.

They are what they are...

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And as I recall, not many posts ago, you were comparing conservatives to hunter/gatherers, now you are the Neolithic farmers. I had no idea I could sway your prejudices as such. :P

You're the one that brought in neolithic farmers. I haven't said a word about them. Either hunter/gatherers or farmers are more useful than shiftless peaceniks


Those "s**tless peaceniks" can easily be farmers or hunter/gatherers.


Shit-less?? :roll:
Duh, learn to read why doncha.
The word is shift-less (lazy, languid, torpid, lackadaisical, etc ) and you can't be an effective hunter/gatherer/farmer if you are shift-less.
Why not just concede that you have no point to make here?


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20 Oct 2014, 4:07 pm

Raptor wrote:
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Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Call my ideas hollow and party rhetoric if you like, but they are what I believe in, and I'll stick to them.

They are what they are...

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And as I recall, not many posts ago, you were comparing conservatives to hunter/gatherers, now you are the Neolithic farmers. I had no idea I could sway your prejudices as such. :P

You're the one that brought in neolithic farmers. I haven't said a word about them. Either hunter/gatherers or farmers are more useful than shiftless peaceniks


Those "s**tless peaceniks" can easily be farmers or hunter/gatherers.


Shit-less?? :roll:
Duh, learn to read why doncha.
The word is shift-less (lazy, languid, torpid, lackadaisical, etc ) and you can't be an effective hunter/gatherer/farmer if you are shift-less.
Why not just concede that you have no point to make here?


I do have a point to make here. Why do you think think people who prefer not to die violently are shiftless, or s**tless?


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20 Oct 2014, 4:44 pm

^ Whatever.....
Enough talking in riddles is enough talking in riddles.


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20 Oct 2014, 5:51 pm

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^ Whatever.....
Enough talking in riddles is enough talking in riddles.


Aw, aren't you a fan of E. Nigma in DC comics? Any Aspie or wonder-nerd worth his or her salt knows of whom I speak :lol: .


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20 Oct 2014, 9:18 pm

^ I might be an aspie but I hold the nerdiness to a minimum.


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20 Oct 2014, 9:27 pm

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^ I might be an aspie but I hold the nerdiness to a minimum.


Nerdiness is second nature to Aspies, as it's the only thing from letting us slip into lunacy. Embrace your inner nerd!


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20 Oct 2014, 9:29 pm

The nerd in me stays at home.


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20 Oct 2014, 9:44 pm

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The nerd in me stays at home.


That's sad. How can you enjoy comic book shops?


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20 Oct 2014, 10:02 pm

It's never even occurred to me to set foot inside of a comic book shop.


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20 Oct 2014, 10:28 pm

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It's never even occurred to me to set foot inside of a comic book shop.


Trust me, you don't know what you're missing. Both my wife and I are big comic book fans, and we're both uber nerds! :lol:


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22 Oct 2014, 12:08 am

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And regarding a worker's paradise - as a matter of fact, from the end of WWII and before the nightmare of trickle down economics, America might as well have been a worker's paradise. A working guy like my dad was able to buy a house with the wages he made, my mom was able to stay at home to raise me, and we enjoyed a happy, middle class existence. If that wasn't a worker's paradise, I have no idea what is.


Government spending collapsed from 41 percent of GDP in 1945 to 24 percent in 1946 to less than 15 percent by 1947. And there was no ?new? New Deal. This was by far the biggest cut in government spending in U.S. history. Tax rates were cut and wartime price controls were lifted. There was a very short, eight-month recession, but then the private economy surged. Personal consumption grew by 6.2 percent in 1945 and 12.4 percent in 1946 even as government spending crashed. At the same time, private investment spending grew by 28.6 percent and 139.6 percent.

The less the feds spent, the more people spent and invested. Keynesianism was turned on its head. Free markets were vindicated.

http://dailysignal.com/2014/10/18/truth ... ium=social

Thank you for advocating the wholesale slashing of taxes, regulations, and government spending back to late-'40s levels. Yes, that would allow an explosion of innovation and a growth in prosperity such as can hardly be imagined now. Free-market economists from Mises to Schiff have been calling for exactly that for eons, but I never thought I'd hear it from you!



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22 Oct 2014, 12:31 am

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And regarding a worker's paradise - as a matter of fact, from the end of WWII and before the nightmare of trickle down economics, America might as well have been a worker's paradise. A working guy like my dad was able to buy a house with the wages he made, my mom was able to stay at home to raise me, and we enjoyed a happy, middle class existence. If that wasn't a worker's paradise, I have no idea what is.


Government spending collapsed from 41 percent of GDP in 1945 to 24 percent in 1946 to less than 15 percent by 1947. And there was no ?new? New Deal. This was by far the biggest cut in government spending in U.S. history. Tax rates were cut and wartime price controls were lifted. There was a very short, eight-month recession, but then the private economy surged. Personal consumption grew by 6.2 percent in 1945 and 12.4 percent in 1946 even as government spending crashed. At the same time, private investment spending grew by 28.6 percent and 139.6 percent.

The less the feds spent, the more people spent and invested. Keynesianism was turned on its head. Free markets were vindicated.

http://dailysignal.com/2014/10/18/truth ... ium=social

Thank you for advocating the wholesale slashing of taxes, regulations, and government spending back to late-'40s levels. Yes, that would allow an explosion of innovation and a growth in prosperity such as can hardly be imagined now. Free-market economists from Mises to Schiff have been calling for exactly that for eons, but I never thought I'd hear it from you!


And in the Eisenhower years when the middle class was exploding in exponential growth, the rich were paying 90% taxes, the Republican President, Eisenhower himself, admitted eliminating the social safety net would lead to disaster, and organized labor made sure big business shared in the wealth. Now that was indeed a worker's paradise.


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24 Oct 2014, 9:05 pm

Getting back to voting, an interesting article:

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How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.

Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama?s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina?s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/mon ... -election/



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24 Oct 2014, 9:24 pm

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Getting back to voting, an interesting article:

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How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.

Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama?s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina?s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/mon ... -election/



Say that that's true, or if there was voter fraud to that extent, does that seriously mean Obama wouldn't have won without them?


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