Socialist party advocates for $20/hr and only pays $13/hr

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So basically, we would be in a permanent campaign cycle? How would we find time to pay attention to anything else?

Smearing is what you do, you post individual stories and attempt to use them to broad brush entire groups, the literal meaning of the term. Your 'racist police' thread is a perfect example, good timing posting it.



I don't dismiss all dissenting opinions as smears, I reserve the term fairly specifically for people who like to broad brush, e.g. you.

You are talking out of your dirt star.

"proof of racism in the police" does not equate to "proof that the police is racist".

I posted it to make a point that racism is still within the police, not that it is inherent in each and every policeman.

If your grasp of English isn't that great, its really not my fault.



Well, clearly in this case, you have 'reserved it' incorrectly.

I stand by my post.

I can live like King on $13 an hour A simplified, disciplined life is not difficult for a single person on $3 an hour.

You must already own your house? I work with people who earn ~140-160k per year , and generally a household income of nearly double that of 240-280k/year, and buy 400k-600k condos/townhomes, and feel poor because of the huge mortgage payment. A mortgage payment in that range can give you 20 deductions on your W-2 (i.e., that is like supporting 20 kids in the eyes of the IRS). $3/hour is not possible with the American debt culture.

I have seen articles that New Yorkers feel poor with household incomes under 500k per year. Democrats in New York have objected to Obama's tax proposal to raise taxes on households over 250k/yr in income because they say in New York that is not rich.

For example, Democrat Congressman Schumer pushed "1 million income per year" as what defines "rich", because in his area probably there are many Democrats that have household incomes over president Obama's original proposal of 250,000 as what defines who is rich.

"The Democrats' Struggle to Define Who's Rich"
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... -whos-rich

Location, Location, Location.

The cost of living is tied firmly to location and is understandably highest in desirable cities. However, I doubt there is anywhere in the U.S. a person can live on 3$/hour unless this simple, disciplined life is living in a tent in the woods and walking to a nearby town to go dumpster diving for food. Or working two full time jobs both at 3$/hr (but then there would be no time for walking in to town from the woods tent).

No, I own almost nothing. I used to own a new house that I had built in 2001, with the new vehicles,, furnishings and status quo $30 an hour job, but I was not happy living like that. It was not me. I quit the job, got rid of everything I owned and trained and disciplined my mind and body to be happy and satisfied with the bare essentials. I found that even people making $30 an hour seem to have that privileged/entitled, intolerant of the less fortunate, me, me, me mentality. I wanted to get as far away from that as possible Everything I own I could move myself from home to home without assistance from anyone. My only transportation a 49cc scooter which gets me everywhere I need to go or be and is capable of carrying any small necessities I require for subsistence. My SSDI amounts to approximately $14 hour. I am exactly who and what I say in this forum and my values and principles are perfectly aligned with my economic perspectives here. People can call me every bit of crazy they want but no none can rightly call me a hypocrite. Integrity is everything to me.

I don't think "rich" has anything to do with how much money someone has, and there is nothing whatsoever that impresses me about people who make it their lifelong goal to obtain and hold as much money as they can. I find the lifelong pursuit of money and status to be immoral and lacking in virtue and inconsistent with the teachings of any of the major religions which the money hoarders seem to seek false refuge within.

I meant $13 an hour in my original response, not $3 an hour. My finger missed a digit in the darkness. I cannot hide behind the excuse of alcohol because indulging in the consumption of alcohol, in my life, with my philosophical bent, would indicate a mind that is lacking in discipline. I merely mistyped. Sorry for the error.

Nothing wrong with a permanent cycle. It does not take up too much time to pay attention to anything else. In real world examples we see this. It isn't perfect, but it is better than the alternative.

I don't like the word campaign. Delegates in this system don't compete for themselves, and by its nature can't.

???
But you said previously that our economic problems are because we are not productive. Why? Because we do not make $2 an hour like China and India.
Or are you saying that if we pay cash for everything we can survive on $2/hour?
See the thread, " 6 horrifying facts about the rich." for your statements.

Holy meteorites, Batman.

This is indeed a strange change of events.

The same thing happened when fast food workers in my city tried to get the support of a service industry union, then someone brought up that all their office jobs were equally low-wage positions with no benefits that were cut to part-time hours so that they would not be required to cover employee benefits.

Yes, we are getting killed economically because workers are more productive pretty much everywhere else (i.e., they produce product at the cheapest cost).

The American debt culture has to end. We have to live within our means, and the standard of living for everyone - rich and poor - needs to come down.

So, we should make $2 an hour so we can compete with slaves.
In other words become a slave in order to defeat slavery!
Does that $2 an hour requirement apply to everyone? Or only those that contribute to the economy? In other words, those that take their money by betting on our productivity (and creating nothing) should be paid $2.

So your point was not that it is impossible to survive on $2 an hour,it was that our corrupt system prevents such a perfect wage!

You should read more history and current events.
Trickle down economics made the American people poorer and the betting class richer. So your point is that the problem is that we are too rich and the rich are too poor!

I don't want to argue the obvious.

It is clear to me that the US cannot exist in its debt bubble forever. It cannot take on trillions in debt forever and pretend it is a productive, prosperous country when in fact the wealth is flowing out of the country. At some point the debt bubble pops and the US mostly equalizes with the world, until then, generally, the wages will stagnant, and inflation will slowly reduce the standard of living.