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21 Sep 2008, 11:13 pm

It's quite simple.

Take a survey of the strength of people's sexual appetites.

Observe correlation with dipshittery.


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21 Sep 2008, 11:14 pm

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I believe it is only the Catholic church that regards sex for recreational purposes as immoral. My denomination (PCUSA) encourages the use of contraceptives when a couple does not wish to have children (or does not want more children, as the case may be). But extramarital and premarital sex are still frowned upon, as are homosexual relations.


Even homosexual relations are becoming more accepted by the PCUSA (although there's still contention, it's far less outright opposition than other churches)

At the very least, for my church, we tend to place less emphasis on the book of Leviticus (I don't even remember hearing a scripture reading from it at church in my lifetime, and I attend nearly every week)... More often the message is taken from the Gospels where Jesus is far more concerned with things other than the book of Leviticus. Yes, He did say "I did not come to abolish the law and the prophets, but to fulfill", but He also said that "you should love the Lord with all your heart and soul and mind" and "you shall love your neighbor as yourself", indicating that those two lines are way more important than the book of Leviticus. Also, when some townspeople caught a woman committing adultery, which according to Exodus warrants a penalty of stoning to death, Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Elsewhere, Jesus also mentions that "even the prostitutes and tax gatherers are entering the kingdom of Heaven".

I, a practicing christian, am still disappointed to this day in people that can't shake the thought that Christianity isn't about stopping the homosexuals or such sex related laws...



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21 Sep 2008, 11:46 pm

twoshots wrote:
It's quite simple.

Take a survey of the strength of people's sexual appetites.

Observe correlation with dipshittery.


This


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21 Sep 2008, 11:50 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
Even homosexual relations are becoming more accepted by the PCUSA (although there's still contention, it's far less outright opposition than other churches)


Oooooo how terrible :roll:


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22 Sep 2008, 12:09 am

@ToadofSteel: Yes, I've been getting that impression as well. My new church that I'm attending at college is very liberal, and I hear there was recently a dispute between them and a nearby PCA congregation (PCA is the fundie wing of American Presbyterianism) while attempting to cooperate in some charity work because the PCA church didn't approve of this PCUSA congregation accepting gays. And PCUSA recently allowed for homosexuals to be ordained as ministers. The official PCUSA line calls for homosexuals to be welcomed with open arms into any congregation, and notes that God's love extends to everyone. Still no same-sex marriage though.


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22 Sep 2008, 12:27 am

I first thought PCUSA meant something else than Presbyterian Church :P


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22 Sep 2008, 1:25 am

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I, a practicing christian, am still disappointed to this day in people that can't shake the thought that Christianity isn't about stopping the homosexuals or such sex related laws...


I hear that. Usually when people hear the word Christian, all they think of are the televangelists and the Westboro fag-haters. And that's all they want to believe our faith is about. :( :?



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22 Sep 2008, 1:31 am

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I, a practicing christian, am still disappointed to this day in people that can't shake the thought that Christianity isn't about stopping the homosexuals or such sex related laws...


I hear that. Usually when people hear the word Christian, all they think of are the televangelists and the Westboro fag-haters. And that's all they want to believe our faith is about. :( :?

One little detail can spoil everything for some people.


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22 Sep 2008, 2:01 am

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@ToadofSteel: Yes, I've been getting that impression as well. My new church that I'm attending at college is very liberal, and I hear there was recently a dispute between them and a nearby PCA congregation (PCA is the fundie wing of American Presbyterianism) while attempting to cooperate in some charity work because the PCA church didn't approve of this PCUSA congregation accepting gays. And PCUSA recently allowed for homosexuals to be ordained as ministers. The official PCUSA line calls for homosexuals to be welcomed with open arms into any congregation, and notes that God's love extends to everyone. Still no same-sex marriage though.


I know that the PCA doesn't approve of homosexuality, but to the point that they would not take an opportunity to expand God's work to maintain their dogmatic line? That makes me sad...

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I hear that. Usually when people hear the word Christian, all they think of are the televangelists and the Westboro fag-haters. And that's all they want to believe our faith is about. :( :?

I have pity for hate groups like the WBC (I can't even bring myself to call them a "church"), and I pity their incredibly narrow viewpoints that end up turning them into said hate group.

Sometimes I wish Jesus would just return to Earth already and set straight some of these churches that spend too much time persecuting homosexuality instead of living the life Jesus prescribed.



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22 Sep 2008, 2:06 am

twoshots wrote:
It's quite simple.

Take a survey of the strength of people's sexual appetites.

Observe correlation with dipshittery.


Like Kinsey? He had some sexual problems of his own.



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22 Sep 2008, 2:39 am

slowmutant wrote:
LKL wrote:
LostInEmulation wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is a big hint.

Sex is a gift from God btw, but any gift can be misused.


Sodom and Gomorrah was more about rape and about being hostile to guests than about sex itself. (Note that God had no problems with the fact that instead of the angels, the daughter was offered)


Rape of men. Rape of women is apparently ok (the daughters mentioned above). Incest is also ok according to this story.


No. :shameonyou:


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so Lot, the hero, didn't offer his daughters to the mob instead of his male guests, with god's approval?
Said daughters didn't later have sex with their father, and get pregnant by him, with god's approval?

Which version of the bible are you using?



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22 Sep 2008, 3:23 am

Because sex is fun and everything fun is a sin to those overly-repressed Muppets.


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22 Sep 2008, 5:34 am

Sex can lead one away from God, and Lust is a deadly sin. Need I remind you all of the AIDS epidemic in 1980s San Francisco?

Sex is a sin because sex can kill when misused.



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22 Sep 2008, 7:12 am

Sometimes I wish Jesus would just return to Earth already and set straight some of these churches that spend too much time persecuting homosexuality instead of living the life Jesus prescribed.[/quote]

I doubt Jesus would survive more than ten minutes in today's religious atmosphere.

As Guantanamo illustrates, water can kill if misused .



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22 Sep 2008, 8:43 am

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Recklessness is a sin because recklessness can kill when misused.


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22 Sep 2008, 8:45 am

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I doubt Jesus would survive more than ten minutes in today's religious atmosphere.


Jesus was really one against His own religion even back then... you think that the laws found in Leviticus are overly enforced now? Back then they were enforced WAY more...

Disclaimer: My guess is as good as anyone else's about what Jesus would do if He were to return today, but here goes...

Just as Jesus went on a rant against the religious leaders of his time, he would also go against today's religious leaders and personalities, especially certain hard-liners like Fred Phelps. Just as Jesus taught back in the day that you shouldn't be like the hypocrites that profess their faith on the street corners,

He would rip on the modern-day equivalent of that guy on the street corner: the televangelist.

He would be politically neutral (as He distanced himself from politics in Roman times). He would probably applaud the separation of church and state practiced in the US and elsewhere where such a scheme is practiced.