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Giftorcurse
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02 Sep 2009, 9:31 am

I'd think I'd lose my mind. The idea of my identity being a lie created and perpetuated by the "parents" would gnaw away at my soul. I would deny them and the real parent/s any sort of love, for they are undeserving of it. My hatred for them would be almost homicidal. I might not love anyone. Ever.



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02 Sep 2009, 10:07 am

Is this something that is likely to happen to you?

My aunt was adopted, and she didn't react in that manner at all. She was grateful to my grandparents for adopting her, and though she never found her birth mother, she never resented or hated her.



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02 Sep 2009, 10:14 am

Exactly the same here. If I had a bigger sense of humor I wouldn't be able to stop smiling every time having heard this silly phrase about parents being those who raised you not those thanks to whom you came into this world. If you call your adoptive caretakers parents then how to call those who REALLY are them, for heaven’s sake? Well, adoptive caretaking is worth of respect, that’s for sure but that’s something one step below REAL parenthood, worse than it in this respect that it isn’t real – I’ll compare it to dental implants: they can look much better than real teeth, as same as your adoptive parents can be much more caring and affectionate than your biological parents would ever be… but it isn’t real, it’s just playing parenthood. You can say about your best friend “X is like a brother to me”… but you can’t say he’s really your brother. If I were adopted I’d try to meet my parents regardless of what kind of people they would be, even simply out of pure curiosity. Blood ties are something special, your relatives will always be them even if you don’t go along with them. I would never forget if I found out I was adopted.



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02 Sep 2009, 11:54 am

Giftorcurse and Irulan, you seem to be getting yourselves all worked up about a hypothetical situation. I know lots of adoptees, and while they, of course, know that they're adopted, NONE of them feel that way. They all feel very much that their adoptive parents are their real parents, and their biological parents are their biological parents. It is not a conflict. Those who know their biological families have no problem having both families in their lives; those who don't, sometimes want to find their biological families to satisfy curiosity or whatever, but not to replace who they see as their real families. Clearly, it would be difficult to find out that you were adopted if that had been hidden from you, but it wouldn't change the fact that your family was your family.



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05 Sep 2009, 2:23 pm

As an adopted child, I feel I should throw my two cents into the ring.

As a child, I always felt alienated and out of sorts for seemingly no reason whatsoever. Growing up, I couldn't understand why I felt this way-like I was somehow crow barred into my family. I'd always suspected I was adopted from the moment I became old enough to understand the concept, largely because my adoptive mother and I are the only people in the ENTIRE family to be born with green eyes.
I was also confused over the fact that everyone in my family was fair-skinned, blue-eyed and dirty blonde whilst I was sallow/freakishly pale, green-eyed and had almost-black hair.

When I eventually turned nine, I asked my mother outright if I was adopted after seeing a program about adoptees reuniting with their birth parents. She was 100% honest with me and my brother (who is also adopted) and fully explained how she had adopted me at 7 months after having three sucessive miscarriages.

Initially, I was relieved to have an answer to all my internal questions but as the hormones started going mental when I hit puberty, I used the fact I was adopted as a threat to my mother during arguements, saying she had no autority over me as "she didn't give birth to me".

It took a few years of soul searching before I came to realize that even though we're not related by blood, my mother is the woman who adopted me, who protected me as a baby, the one who kissed my scrapped knees, told me off if I was bad or cuddled me if I cried.

Though part of me is curious to learn about my biological family, I don't feel enough to actively look for them. If anything, I'm more curious to learn of my lieniage and biological medical history-I just want to know if there's any interesting foreign blood in me or if there's a history of such-and-such a diease in the family.

Ultimately, I just want to know who I inherited my Asperger's from. When it comes to actually meeting the woman who gave birth to me, I don't feel compelled to meet her as I feel she is just a stranger.
She may have given birth to me but the woman I call "Mom" is my true mother as she was the one who raised me and the one who can truely call me her daughter.

Motherhood is not necessarily a blood tie but an emotional tie. Just because someone incubated me for 9 months doesn't make them a parent-it's what happens afterwards that's the deciding factor.



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06 Sep 2009, 3:16 am

A guy I knew was in his mid teens when he learned that his "older sister" was really his mother and that his "parents" were really his grandparents.

Talk about a kick in the head!



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06 Sep 2009, 3:28 am

The only thing that would bother me, is wanting to meet my actual parents. I practically raised myself anyway, so it wouldn't make much difference if they told me tomorrow, that i was adopted. I've been through alot worse than that, and survived. :rambo:


It would be nice to meet my real parents though, just to have that feeling of genetic identity. It's not super-important, but would definitely be a bonus. 8)


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06 Sep 2009, 4:19 am

It would explain a lot. :wink:



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06 Sep 2009, 10:21 am

when I found out my dad wasn't my "real dad" I genuinely didn't care, as far as im concerned he raised me so he's stuck with me! I don't understand what your parents have to do with your identity either :?



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19 Nov 2009, 12:08 pm

Shastania wrote:
As an adopted child, I feel I should throw my two cents into the ring.

As a child, I always felt alienated and out of sorts for seemingly no reason whatsoever. Growing up, I couldn't understand why I felt this way-like I was somehow crow barred into my family. I'd always suspected I was adopted from the moment I became old enough to understand the concept, largely because my adoptive mother and I are the only people in the ENTIRE family to be born with green eyes.
I was also confused over the fact that everyone in my family was fair-skinned, blue-eyed and dirty blonde whilst I was sallow/freakishly pale, green-eyed and had almost-black hair.

When I eventually turned nine, I asked my mother outright if I was adopted after seeing a program about adoptees reuniting with their birth parents. She was 100% honest with me and my brother (who is also adopted) and fully explained how she had adopted me at 7 months after having three sucessive miscarriages.

Initially, I was relieved to have an answer to all my internal questions but as the hormones started going mental when I hit puberty, I used the fact I was adopted as a threat to my mother during arguements, saying she had no autority over me as "she didn't give birth to me".

It took a few years of soul searching before I came to realize that even though we're not related by blood, my mother is the woman who adopted me, who protected me as a baby, the one who kissed my scrapped knees, told me off if I was bad or cuddled me if I cried.

Though part of me is curious to learn about my biological family, I don't feel enough to actively look for them. If anything, I'm more curious to learn of my lieniage and biological medical history-I just want to know if there's any interesting foreign blood in me or if there's a history of such-and-such a diease in the family.

Ultimately, I just want to know who I inherited my Asperger's from. When it comes to actually meeting the woman who gave birth to me, I don't feel compelled to meet her as I feel she is just a stranger.
She may have given birth to me but the woman I call "Mom" is my true mother as she was the one who raised me and the one who can truely call me her daughter.

Motherhood is not necessarily a blood tie but an emotional tie. Just because someone incubated me for 9 months doesn't make them a parent-it's what happens afterwards that's the deciding factor.


BS. I don't think you quite understand the point I'm trying to get across. Adoptive parents are bottom-feeding, cloying liars whose love isn't even real. Just a bland, cookie-cutter imitation of it.


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19 Nov 2009, 12:11 pm

^ WTF?

Pretty sure this guy is trolling. Don't feed the troll.

If you aren't trolling then you have serious problems... get help



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19 Nov 2009, 2:47 pm

Giftorcurse wrote:
BS. I don't think you quite understand the point I'm trying to get across. Adoptive parents are bottom-feeding, cloying liars whose love isn't even real. Just a bland, cookie-cutter imitation of it.


The way that's worded gives the apparent look of a global all-inclusive absolute declaration applied to all adoptive parents.

Therefore I'm going to be a bit argumentative :wink: :twisted: both for the sake of argument and because I very much diasagree with the seeming absolute-ness of that statement.

:?: Do you have documentation of that being the case in totality :?:


{and I'd dare to wonder, I have no proof - I just wonder, if there's some manner of deep seated anger toward something fueling that outlook: it comes across as very angry to me}


:arrow: True, there are those who do adopt selfishly with no deep interest in the child. Same for foster parents. Cases of that are documented.
There are also documented cases of birth parents doing the same.

One example from firsthand experience being birth mothers like my daughter in law who enrolled herslef into hairdresser's school and her grade school age children were still not enrolled into and attending school after two weeks into classes having started.
Can we say self-centered.


Note : my wife, bubbybird on here, has her degree as a Social Worker - she's seen all types of birth, foster, adoptive, parents having the whole range of attitudes.
Seen same within her own family too.

Another thing to look at is those fathers who upload sperm into the mother and that's the end of their involvement wit the child. And sometimes even the mother. Not a good thing.

Absolutes in people are something to be wary of: not all people are bad; not all people are good.
"Good" people are not absent of badness.
"Bad" people are not absent of goodness.
Those qualities are on a spectrum just like how Aspergers is a spectrum thing.


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19 Nov 2009, 3:42 pm

Giftorcurse wrote:
BS. I don't think you quite understand the point I'm trying to get across. Adoptive parents are bottom-feeding, cloying liars whose love isn't even real. Just a bland, cookie-cutter imitation of it.

Fortunately, when you're older and more mature, you'll most likely forge your own identity rather than define yourself as the "offspring of xyz".


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19 Nov 2009, 3:59 pm

Shastania wrote:
I was also confused over the fact that everyone in my family was fair-skinned, blue-eyed and dirty blonde whilst I was sallow/freakishly pale, green-eyed and had almost-black hair.


Shastania, believe it or not, this can happen with biological families, too. I think you and I must look alike -- green eyes, black or almost-black hair, sallow/pale skin? Check, check, and check. Fair-skinned, blue-eyed, light-haired relatives? Check, check, and check! I am not adopted, but I don't look like anyone else in my family. It never bothered me...I think if I found out I was adopted I'd be okay with that. (It would sure explain where I got my coloring!) I might want my biological parents' medical history, but the parents I grew up with, the ones I love, would still be my real parents.

As for love felt by non-relatives being a cheap imitation...is my love for my husband a cheap imitation? Obviously, he and I are not blood-related! Love can very well exist without DNA involved, thanks. I resent being told I can't really love my husband, just as I imagine adopted children reading this might resent being told their parents don't really love them.



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20 Nov 2009, 9:01 am

i'd hate the birth parents most for bringing me into this world and wanting nothing to do with me, i wouldn't attempt to contact them and deny all attempts by them..

At least the adoption parents would take you, honestly most cases they're transferred from foster home to foster home, never having real parents, and then you aren't brought into a dysfunctional family where you're an unwanted accidental child. :?


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20 Nov 2009, 10:11 am

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i'd hate the birth parents most for bringing me into this world and wanting nothing to do with me

You would not know this until well after the fact, and only if you heard it directly or indirectly from the birth parents.

There are a variety of reasons that birth parents give their children up for adoption, beyond "wanting nothing to do with the child". Not wanting to raise a child in extreme poverty is one such reason.


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