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13 Sep 2010, 5:00 pm

I think it's kind of sexist that there's a section for women's discussion but none for men. There's also been a bit of bickering, arguing, disagreeing ect between the men & women here & i think having a section for men to post in might be helpful


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13 Sep 2010, 5:52 pm

nick007 wrote:
I think it's kind of sexist that there's a section for women's discussion but none for men. There's also been a bit of bickering, arguing, disagreeing ect between the men & women here & i think having a section for men to post in might be helpful

There was a men's forum in the past, but there were problems and it was removed, so they will not make one again.

Why not making a thread, either the Adult forum or Love&Date forum, and name it Men's discussion? Even though I believe there could be objections against that and I doubt if it can work.


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13 Sep 2010, 5:58 pm

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nick007 wrote:
I think it's kind of sexist that there's a section for women's discussion but none for men. There's also been a bit of bickering, arguing, disagreeing ect between the men & women here & i think having a section for men to post in might be helpful

There was a men's forum in the past, but there were problems and it was removed, so they will not make one again.

Why not making a thread, either the Adult forum or Love&Date forum, and name it Men's discussion? Even though I believe there could be objections against that and I doubt if it can work.


What kinds of problems did they have? If some guys cause problems with it; I think those members could be dealt with. It's tonally unfair & sexist that the women get to have there own space & us men do not. Making a post in adult or L&D section is causing problems because women see the post & get upset & arguments are staring.


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13 Sep 2010, 5:59 pm

I would also like to know what the problems were.

I can think of several other subjects that would go into this board:

Men's rights and antimisandry
Autism as it affects masculinity
Weightlifting and other sports
DIY, electronics and other useful information



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13 Sep 2010, 6:06 pm

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I would also like to know what the problems were.

I can think of several other subjects that would go into this board:

Men's rights and antimisandry
Autism as it affects masculinity
Weightlifting and other sports
DIY, electronics and other useful information


We do have a health fitness & sports section & it doesn't seem to get a lot of activity & we also have a science & technology section so I don't think a men's section would be useful for that. There's been lots of arguing on the L&D & Adult sections lately between the men & women over things. I hear the woman's section has lots of negative stuff about men in it(I never went in it so I'm not sure) & I think it's bullspit that the women have a place to rant about men but us guys have no place to rant about women. I'll openly admit that I've said some pretty offensive stuff about women on the L&D, Haven & Adult section before & I think having a section where I can talk to other guys about that stuff would cause less problems than me posting in those sections. I don't think I've caused any problems but I had a very hard time trying to remain civil at times


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13 Sep 2010, 9:19 pm

I don't think so; the women's forum is there because there are so much fewer women with autism than men. The subforum makes it much easier for women to congregate and discuss relevant issues, just like the kid's crater and teen forum do for their respective audiences. There's nothing stopping you from posting in there (other than anxiety, perhaps).

It's not about sexism, it's about providing resources to best serve the community. A women's subforum does that.


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13 Sep 2010, 10:21 pm

nick007 wrote:
What kinds of problems did they have? If some guys cause problems with it; I think those members could be dealt with. It's tonally unfair & sexist that the women get to have there own space & us men do not. Making a post in adult or L&D section is causing problems because women see the post & get upset & arguments are staring.

I didn't frequent it, just noticed once there were complains about 'misoginy' in there, so yeah, I can say there were problems, although I don't know the details of why the forum disappeared, it is just my guess, that the cause may have been related, and I believe it is for the best that it was gone.

I don't think it's unfair that women have their place while men don't. First, from what I see, men are allowed to participate in it, also, it doesn't seem it is actually needed, men don't have periods to talk about it privately, you know. :P

And pretty much it can be said that the adult forum is serving that purpose (a place for men) somehow.


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14 Sep 2010, 1:36 pm

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There was a men's forum in the past, but there were problems and it was removed, so they will not make one again.


Well that seems like a stupid decision - if they took that approach with other problems, there'd be no forum left :roll:

I agree with nick007.



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14 Sep 2010, 2:15 pm

I have heard a few arguments about why women need their own forum, but none regarding why men wouldn't need their own forum (as mentioned above, there are topics such as MRA that aren't exactly adult-related).

Regarding misogyny: There is very real prejudice against men with autism by women in general, and this does need to be discussed. If you don't believe me, count the number of times when women would burst into laughter after hearing about someone's passion for engineering, computer programming and other special interests, or for the ability to enjoy or dislike certain numbers. Autistic women, for the most part, don't experience this sort of behaviour, so I regard this as one of the reasons why we need a forum.



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14 Sep 2010, 2:58 pm

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I have heard a few arguments about why women need their own forum, but none regarding why men wouldn't need their own forum (as mentioned above, there are topics such as MRA that aren't exactly adult-related).

Regarding misogyny: There is very real prejudice against men with autism by women in general, and this does need to be discussed. If you don't believe me, count the number of times when women would burst into laughter after hearing about someone's passion for engineering, computer programming and other special interests, or for the ability to enjoy or dislike certain numbers. Autistic women, for the most part, don't experience this sort of behaviour, so I regard this as one of the reasons why we need a forum.


I think there's some so called "disorder" for women who get in relationships with Aspie men & have problems. There wer some post about it in the relationship section a while back.
I also think a men's board would be a good place to talk about certain health issues like our prostate & testicular cancer. Can members under 18 see & post in the adult section? I'm not sure if they can but I know women under 18 can post in the women's section to talk about adult type topics with sexual stuff. If guys under 18 don't have a place to talk about that stuff; a men's section would be great for it. BTW I know the women's section is used for women to talk about feminine parts & things related to their periods ect But I think having a place specifically for women & NOT for guys is saying that women deserve special treatment/accommodations because of there gender


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14 Sep 2010, 6:47 pm

If there is one made, just don't turn it into this:

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14 Sep 2010, 6:51 pm

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If there is one made, just don't turn it into this:

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& the women's section should NEVER be a feminist club


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14 Sep 2010, 7:53 pm

True. TBH, it wouldn't bother me in the least if the womens forum was gone. Men worry about getting bashed by women in there, and if a men's forum is added, women will feel bashed by men. No one wins, so to speak.


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14 Sep 2010, 8:01 pm

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True. TBH, it wouldn't bother me in the least if the womens forum was gone. Men worry about getting bashed by women in there, and if a men's forum is added, women will feel bashed by men. No one wins, so to speak.


It would be better to have men bashing women in the men's section & women bashing men in the women's section than having men & women bashing each other in the L&D & other sections. I think if the men had a separate place they could post without having to worry about starting arguments with women; we might not be bashing women. I've seen lots of post on the L&D section become arguments between men & women because a man made a comment that women found offensive or a woman made a comment that men found offensive. A lot of the posters were NOT trying to be hateful or insulting to the other gander but the other gander took it the wrong way. I was NEVER tying to attack all women here but some of my post got misinterpreted as attacks against all women when that was NOT my intent. I think having separate sections for men & women could help cut down on these problems


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I don't think so; the women's forum is there because there are so much fewer women with autism than men. The subforum makes it much easier for women to congregate and discuss relevant issues, just like the kid's crater and teen forum do for their respective audiences. There's nothing stopping you from posting in there (other than anxiety, perhaps).

It's not about sexism, it's about providing resources to best serve the community. A women's subforum does that.


This is pretty much what I was going to say. Even if you fight for it, I doubt they'll remake a forum that was already deleted. Now watch as some of the men here flame me and call me a troll for expressing my opinion. :roll:



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I don't think so; the women's forum is there because there are so much fewer women with autism than men. The subforum makes it much easier for women to congregate and discuss relevant issues, just like the kid's crater and teen forum do for their respective audiences. There's nothing stopping you from posting in there (other than anxiety, perhaps).

It's not about sexism, it's about providing resources to best serve the community. A women's subforum does that.


This is pretty much what I was going to say. Even if you fight for it, I doubt they'll remake a forum that was already deleted. Now watch as some of the men here flame me and call me a troll for expressing my opinion. :roll:


I'm NOT going to flame you or call you a troll but I would like to pint out that lots of people here think the ratio of Aspie men to Aspie women is about 50/50 so I do NOT agree with that statement. Having a women's board where there is no Men's one is unfair & sexist. I do NOT understand why women get their down section here but people have issues about the men having one. How can people NOT see that it's unfair :?:

I honestly thought that suggesting a men's section was common sense


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