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25 May 2011, 2:59 pm

Are you Israeli? Well, guess what! The European right-wing hates you along with the Pals because they really don't like anybody very much. The European left has been royally taken by all the rhetoric claiming that Gaza is a "concentration camp" or something, and they actually think that the Palestinians would stop harrassing you if they had a winning streak for a while rather than just rolling you back into the stone age with them as quick as they get a chance. You don't have a single friend in Europe that is any real help to you.

And the only reason you have any credibility in the USA is that we have a lot of idiots over here who think that you're supposed to fulfill their delusional apocalyptic fantasies.

Asia? Forget it.

Your idiot Prime Minister, Bibi Netanyahu, seems to have a fantasy that Israel can somehow get along with the entire world, including the US, turned against you. At the very least, he does seem to be pretty determined to show us his butt at every given opportunity. I honestly hope that at least some of you realize how completely stupid this is. Now, I honestly don't want there to be a future where Israel is yet another screwed-up theocratic...circus. Either get this guy and his cronies to see reason, or get someone else in there.

Thank you.



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25 May 2011, 3:02 pm

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he European right-wing hates you along with the Pals because they really don't like anybody very much.


Never heard of PVV and Geert Wilders?



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25 May 2011, 6:35 pm

There is no reason in hell that the world be preoccupied with one little country the size of New Jersey with only 7 million people.

It kills one Palestinian... that is sad but in the final analysis, so what? Do you loose sleep when a congolese is raped and burned alive?

That means that 50 or 100 dead palestinians = how many congolese murdered to make news coverage? There's as many palestinians who die in conflict a year as union members and union leaders murdered in Colombia. Colombia never makes the news... It is an odd world that we live in.


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25 May 2011, 6:38 pm

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There is no reason in hell that the world be preoccupied with one little country the size of New Jersey with only 7 million people.

It kills one Palestinian... that is sad but in the final analysis, so what? Do you loose sleep when a congolese is raped and burned alive?

That means that 50 or 100 dead palestinians = how many congolese murdered to make news coverage? There's as many palestinians who die in conflict a year as union members and union leaders murdered in Colombia. Colombia never makes the news... It is an odd world that we live in.


Lately the Syrian government is doing well in the kill the civilians department.

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25 May 2011, 7:18 pm

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There is no reason in hell that the world be preoccupied with one little country the size of New Jersey with only 7 million people.

It kills one Palestinian... that is sad but in the final analysis, so what? Do you loose sleep when a congolese is raped and burned alive?

That means that 50 or 100 dead palestinians = how many congolese murdered to make news coverage? There's as many palestinians who die in conflict a year as union members and union leaders murdered in Colombia. Colombia never makes the news... It is an odd world that we live in.


Lately the Syrian government is doing well in the kill the civilians department.

ruveyn


yes, and sadly, as part of the progressive impulse to befriend enemies of freedom, vogue did a spread on how lovely the Syrian royal family. embarrassingly, this was right before the political eruption that swept the middle east and right before its dictator ordered his private police to shoot on protestors.

Many progressive mudraking journalists from TNR and other progressive outlets at the turn of the century did the same thing by traveling to Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Communist Russia. There were journalists who would travel to these blood lands such as walter duranty who denied the famines happening in the Ukraine and got a pulitzer prize for his journalism, or NYT sydney schanberg who denied what was happening under the Khmer Rouge and got a pulitzer prize for his journalism. More recently you have the likes of Danny Glover and Barbara Walters visiting Syria and Venezuela praising the government and country. They are always willing to turn a blind eye to the evils the people they try to protect commit, and do so for the love of the world opinion (which is essentially left leaning news outlets).

I hope the army makes a coup and takes back the country and kill that dictator and its secret police.


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25 May 2011, 8:06 pm

^ Yes. Hitler was TIME magazine's "Man of the Year".



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25 May 2011, 8:10 pm

If there was no religon they would not have that problem......but in reality if you look at the history it was kind of stupid for the allied countries to establish 'Israel' as a place to ship all the homeless jews after WW2. I mean how is it a good idea to declare a Jewish Nation right in the middle of Muslim territory? Not saying its right, but I think it was rather obvious that that whole thing would lead to religious/political tension and eventually conflict.

I can't pick sides, I think both are a good example's of how organized religion causes problems.



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25 May 2011, 8:13 pm

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If there was no religon they would not have that problem......but in reality if you look at the history it was kind of stupid for the allied countries to establish 'Israel' as a place to ship all the homeless jews after WW2. I mean how is it a good idea to declare a Jewish Nation right in the middle of Muslim territory? Not saying its right, but I think it was rather obvious that that whole thing would lead to religious/political tension and eventually conflict.

I can't pick sides, I think both are a good example's of how organized religion causes problems.


Do you think homelands are hanging like fruit from a tree. "Pick a home land". You make it sound like shopping for a house. It does not work that way. If other nations were willing to have Jewish immigrants there would have been no need for a "homeland".

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25 May 2011, 8:19 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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If there was no religon they would not have that problem......but in reality if you look at the history it was kind of stupid for the allied countries to establish 'Israel' as a place to ship all the homeless jews after WW2. I mean how is it a good idea to declare a Jewish Nation right in the middle of Muslim territory? Not saying its right, but I think it was rather obvious that that whole thing would lead to religious/political tension and eventually conflict.

I can't pick sides, I think both are a good example's of how organized religion causes problems.


Do you think homelands are hanging like fruit from a tree. "Pick a home land". You make it sound like shopping for a house. It does not work that way. If other nations were willing to have Jewish immigrants there would have been no need for a "homeland".

ruveyn


No I do not think that nor did I say that I do.......I do however think the middle east was not exactly the best option considering how fanatical muslims tend to be(not all of them of course but considering their religion ties in with their politics and all that it is a problem). Why couldn't the europeans or the americans spare some of their land if they cared so much about the wellbeing of the jews? It just does not make a whole lot of sense. Instead of just supporting things because that is the socially acceaptable thing to do I like to look into history and question things and form my own opinions.



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25 May 2011, 9:30 pm

MarketAndChurch wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
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There is no reason in hell that the world be preoccupied with one little country the size of New Jersey with only 7 million people.

It kills one Palestinian... that is sad but in the final analysis, so what? Do you loose sleep when a congolese is raped and burned alive?

That means that 50 or 100 dead palestinians = how many congolese murdered to make news coverage? There's as many palestinians who die in conflict a year as union members and union leaders murdered in Colombia. Colombia never makes the news... It is an odd world that we live in.


Lately the Syrian government is doing well in the kill the civilians department.

ruveyn


yes, and sadly, as part of the progressive impulse to befriend enemies of freedom, vogue did a spread on how lovely the Syrian royal family. embarrassingly, this was right before the political eruption that swept the middle east and right before its dictator ordered his private police to shoot on protestors.

Many progressive mudraking journalists from TNR and other progressive outlets at the turn of the century did the same thing by traveling to Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Communist Russia. There were journalists who would travel to these blood lands such as walter duranty who denied the famines happening in the Ukraine and got a pulitzer prize for his journalism, or NYT sydney schanberg who denied what was happening under the Khmer Rouge and got a pulitzer prize for his journalism. More recently you have the likes of Danny Glover and Barbara Walters visiting Syria and Venezuela praising the government and country. They are always willing to turn a blind eye to the evils the people they try to protect commit, and do so for the love of the world opinion (which is essentially left leaning news outlets).

I hope the army makes a coup and takes back the country and kill that dictator and its secret police.


the democrats have their favorite dictators and the right have theirs ever hear the name Pinochet?
the Saud family kinda remember a republican president kissing one of them.
Suharto,
Hernández,
the Somozas,
Cordova,
Saddam Hussein and Noriega until they stopped playing our game,
Batista
Videla
Armas, Fuentes, Montt
The Shah
Sadat, Mubarak
Stroessner
Pat Robert son was close friends with Charles Taylor
Trujillo

kinda a pot and kettle issue really. kinda intellectually dishonest really.
Myself not being a joiner have not supported any dictators


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25 May 2011, 9:42 pm

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yes, and sadly, as part of the progressive impulse to befriend enemies of freedom, vogue did a spread on how lovely the Syrian royal family. embarrassingly, this was right before the political eruption that swept the middle east and right before its dictator ordered his private police to shoot on protestors.


Just :lol: A woman's fashion magazine article on the Syrian first lady is really your evidence?

The US has allied itself with dictators for a very long time. That's life in big boy pants.



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25 May 2011, 9:54 pm

Jakob...

Democrats also support our dictator friends as well.

I said leftists/progressives anyways. And conservatives support of dictators pales in comparison to leftist / progressive support of tyrants, and most of our dictators aren't that bad... as in we do what we want and as long as you don't mess with what's ours, we could care less how the country is run. Dictators from the right don't try to control every function of society, and they don't care about the individual unless they've been mislabeled and are truly on the left. If they are Fascistic or Communist or collectivist in any way, they are on the left.

The reason the leftists-supported dictators are so bad is because of the lack of freedom, and lives lost. By another litmus test, like... do your citizens have free health care, the dictators of the right fail miserably.


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25 May 2011, 10:00 pm

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yes, and sadly, as part of the progressive impulse to befriend enemies of freedom, vogue did a spread on how lovely the Syrian royal family. embarrassingly, this was right before the political eruption that swept the middle east and right before its dictator ordered his private police to shoot on protestors.


Just :lol: A woman's fashion magazine article on the Syrian first lady is really your evidence?

The US has allied itself with dictators for a very long time. That's life in big boy pants.


its not the only evidence unless you don't read politics often - i only brought up vogue because I am in fashion and was surprised to see this spread.

Frequent The nation, The American Prospect, Roots, National Journal, New Yorker, NYT, TNR, etc and you'll discover vogue is not alone in this regard.


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25 May 2011, 10:01 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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If there was no religon they would not have that problem......but in reality if you look at the history it was kind of stupid for the allied countries to establish 'Israel' as a place to ship all the homeless jews after WW2. I mean how is it a good idea to declare a Jewish Nation right in the middle of Muslim territory? Not saying its right, but I think it was rather obvious that that whole thing would lead to religious/political tension and eventually conflict.

I can't pick sides, I think both are a good example's of how organized religion causes problems.


Do you think homelands are hanging like fruit from a tree. "Pick a home land". You make it sound like shopping for a house. It does not work that way. If other nations were willing to have Jewish immigrants there would have been no need for a "homeland".

ruveyn


how bout we just give you new york..lolol


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25 May 2011, 10:07 pm

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its not the only evidence unless you don't read politics often - i only brought up vogue because I am in fashion and was surprised to see this spread.


I'd say it's more likely you brought it up because you are a right wing hysteric and frequent those silly blogs. But whatever you say. If you actually read Vogue, well, ok. Interesting.

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Knutsen told The Atlantic that "the piece was not meant in any way to be a referendum on the al-Assad regime" but was "a profile of the first lady." Later, Knutsen acknowledged that the Syrian president is "an autocrat" and that "there's no freedom there."


Doesn't sound like he's bff with Assad. Not that I'm particulary concerned with the articles in fashion magazines.



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25 May 2011, 10:36 pm

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Jakob...

Democrats also support our dictator friends as well.

I said leftists/progressives anyways. And conservatives support of dictators pales in comparison to leftist / progressive support of tyrants, and most of our dictators aren't that bad... as in we do what we want and as long as you don't mess with what's ours, we could care less how the country is run. Dictators from the right don't try to control every function of society, and they don't care about the individual unless they've been mislabeled and are truly on the left. If they are Fascistic or Communist or collectivist in any way, they are on the left.

The reason the leftists-supported dictators are so bad is because of the lack of freedom, and lives lost. By another litmus test, like... do your citizens have free health care, the dictators of the right fail miserably.


your intellectual dishonesty and lack of morality is astounding.
you forgot the are your citizens thrown out of helicopters? test the right fails that too.
or the death squad test
or the torture test.
but no yeah they are good for business "freedom"
not exactly a freedom I would give my life for.
but one that seems to cream your jeans.


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